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Just now, Redskins Rick said:

As much as people dislike the man, he is not a total idiot, the man has a sharp business sense.

Nobody amasses that kind of money is an total clown.

Sure. But I think his reasoning for keeping/not keeping particular players ends up mostly boiling down to "I like this guy" or "I don't like this guy" sometimes.

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If so, Manny’s repeatedly lied to the press about it.

http://www.12up.com/posts/4483297-manny-machado-says-he-wants-to-remain-with-orioles-long-term

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/14/espns-jim-bowden-manny-machado-wants-to-stay-an-oriole

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebaseball.com/2017/01/28/machado-says-orioles-havent-discussed-contract-extension/amp/

I believe these conversations took place when Manny's knees wee still a question. As one poster has suggested they were close but PA nixed the deal. Very likely because of the health questions.

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Just now, interloper said:

Sure. But I think his reasoning for keeping/not keeping particular players ends up mostly boiling down to "I like this guy" or "I don't like this guy" sometimes.

Is it?

I wonder, if he felt the need to keep Davis, the big homer hitter, was to keep fans in the seats?

 

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2 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

As much as people dislike the man, he is not a total idiot, the man has a sharp business sense.

Nobody amasses that kind of money is an total clown.

PA has good business sense in general. He is also exhibits extremely poor skills at operating a professional baseball team and developing talent throughout an MLB franchise. 

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Just now, mcgraw238 said:

PA has good business sense in general. He is also exhibits extremely poor skills at operating a professional baseball team and developing talent throughout an MLB franchise. 

In the begining damn straight he did.

But, times have changed, since Andy came to town and started the rebuild process.

The minor league system is in better shape now, than the previous decade, it takes time to rebuild.

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I have no problem with the fact that the orioles did not want to come anywhere near the kind of money it was going to take to sign Manny Machado. In fact I agree with them. My problem is that when they determined that, they should have traded him to maximize his return to the team. Now, maybe they get a nice return for him now, and if so I am good with that. Lets just wait and see what the deal is.

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18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If so, Manny’s repeatedly lied to the press about it.

http://www.12up.com/posts/4483297-manny-machado-says-he-wants-to-remain-with-orioles-long-term

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/14/espns-jim-bowden-manny-machado-wants-to-stay-an-oriole

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebaseball.com/2017/01/28/machado-says-orioles-havent-discussed-contract-extension/amp/

What else is he going to say? I hate playing here and cant wait to leave? He may well love playing here but if he doesnt he is not going to come out and say it.

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1 minute ago, VeveJones007 said:

If it gets out in the press that the O's tried and failed to re-sign Manny in recent weeks, that hurts his trade value. By not negotiating, it leaves DD the option to say that the O's can always approach an extension if they don't get satisfactory trade offers.

A fair point, and one of the first honest answers to my question of why Dan would say they haven't tried to sign him for the past 2 years.

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23 minutes ago, Frobby said:

If so, Manny’s repeatedly lied to the press about it.

http://www.12up.com/posts/4483297-manny-machado-says-he-wants-to-remain-with-orioles-long-term

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/07/14/espns-jim-bowden-manny-machado-wants-to-stay-an-oriole

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimorebaseball.com/2017/01/28/machado-says-orioles-havent-discussed-contract-extension/amp/

Has a player in the history of major league baseball said that he wants to leave the team he is currently on while under team control?

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The disturbing reality from all of this is that Schoop had his best year last year and now we're looking at the same timeline of events for him. This organization historically just waits too long and is not aggressive enough with extensions. Jones and O'day are outliers. 

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5 minutes ago, theobird said:

I have no problem with the fact that the orioles did not want to come anywhere near the kind of money it was going to take to sign Manny Machado. In fact I agree with them. My problem is that when they determined that, they should have traded him to maximize his return to the team. Now, maybe they get a nice return for him now, and if so I am good with that. Lets just wait and see what the deal is.

Except for last year we have been contenders Manny's whole career. You could argue that we started out last year thinking we were contenders before things went south. It's not often that a playoff contending team trades one of their best players. If you think we should have traded him before last season that is fine. 

And as for locking him up years ago when should we have done that? After 2012 was to early, he hurt his leg after 2013, he hurt his other leg half way through 2014. There were injury concerns with him at that point. In hindsight the risk would have been worth it but at the time who knew? In 2015 he has a great year and 300 million dollar contract was already being talked about. The O's just cant afford to pay one player 30 million a year. I personally dont think Manny is worth that much but that doesnt mean squat.

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22 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

In the begining damn straight he did.

But, times have changed, since Andy came to town and started the rebuild process.

The minor league system is in better shape now, than the previous decade, it takes time to rebuild.

Your faith in PA as an owner is much greater than mine. I wish I had your optimism. 

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45 minutes ago, Frobby said:

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/report-baltimore-orioles-manny-machado-contract-extension/

Manny wasn’t asking for $300 mm.    It was during his pre-arb years and before his offense really took off (though his talent was completely undeniable IMO).    The O’s blew their very good opportunity to lock Manny up and seemingly didn’t try very hard after that.   It’s mind-blowing.   

I mean, at the time - Manny had bad knees and was throwing bats at people, so I guess I get why they didn't go all in on an extension. But, I completely agree, they definitely should have. He clearly had amazing talent and at worst - if his knees got bad - you had a 1B/DH who could hit.

Hopefully the O's learn their lesson and lock up their young talent in the future.

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