10 to trade to jumpstart rebuild

[Sessh]

Eh, Gausman has gotten very lucky lately. He has allowed 31 baserunners in his last 18.1 IP which is absolutely horrible. Boston pummeled him, but he got away with it once against the Rays and once against the White Sox. He did look great against Oakland, but still allows far too many baserunners which will eventually catch up to him. If someone wants him, I'm listening. Not going to give him away, but I'll take a solid offer.

[Tx Oriole]

3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

So you're extending Schoop and Gausman or are you expecting a one year turn around?

I'd trade Gausman in a New York minute. To me he is flawed. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Tx Oriole said:

I'd trade Gausman in a New York minute. To me he is flawed. 

Aren't we all?

[weams]

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• The surging Mariners picked up another win Saturday to move to 31-20, though they may have lost a couple important contributors in the process. Shortstop Jean Segura exited after being kicked in the head, and manager Scott Servais said afterward that he’d enter concussion protocol, while reliever Nick Vincentdeparted with a strained right groin (Twitter links via Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times). A DL stint seems like a good possibility for Vincent, who ranks third among Mariners in relievers in innings (22) and has logged a 4.09 ERA with 9.41 K/9 against 2.45 BB/9. The Mariners will presumably know more Sunday on Vincent and Segura, one of their offensive catalysts. Segura has slashed .329/.345/.469 with four home runs and 12 stolen bases in 226 PAs this season.

In it to win it! Cano unavailable through the World Series? 

[Tx Oriole]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

Extend both on them.  The O's need to have some anchor players.

Kevin G is far from being an anchor player. IMO 

[Rene88]

1 hour ago, Tx Oriole said:

Kevin G is far from being an anchor player. IMO 

Just like Josh Hader was a long shot? Wait until he leaves Baltimore..

[ScGO's]

From selling off these 10 players we could have a huge return 16+ new, young, controllable players in the system like that.

Manny = 3-4

Schoop = 3-4

Gausman - 2-3

Givens - 2-3

Jones - 1-2

Brach - 1-2

Valencia, Alvarez, Blier, O'day probably bring back 1 apiece.

A good draft this year followed by a 2019 draft where we are drafting in the top 5; that's a rebuild.

[Three Run Homer]

There's nobody on the major league team that I wouldn't trade for the right offer of prospects.  The team needs a complete overhaul, so let's get it started.  

[tntoriole]

6 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Before July 31st, I think there could be markets for the following 10 players.  Some will obviously bring more return than others, but if this team wants to be competitive (or competent) in the next five years, they need to consider making these moves now to maximize the value of the return.

 

1. Manny Machado - For obvious reasons.  Needs to be the creamiest of the return crop.

2. Jonathan Schoop - Hasn't heated up yet, but I'm still shopping him bc he has that extra year of control and he's a premium position.  If we sell on him this year, we might be able to get a return similar to the one we can get for Machado.

3. Kevin Gausman - This is the best he has looked in years, and if he can keep it up for another month, we need to sell high.  The rest of the league knows he has stuff.  Let someone think he's figured it out, and maybe he does, but even if he becomes an ace, he wouldn't have been around the next time we're good anyway.

4. Michael Givens - I used to debate against trading him, thinking he was the closer of the future, but after watching how star relievers have been moved, shopped, and signed around the league the last few seasons, I'm sold on selling high and early on relievers that are destined for high arbitration settlements.  These top 4 trade candidates could really bolster our farm system with quality returns.

5. Adam Jones - I see one quality piece in return for him as he will make a decent corner OF for a playoff contender.  I think his name power is strong enough to gain interest and get us that one solid prospect back, but it may only be a team's #5-10 prospect.

6. Brad Brach - Sort of like Jones in name power, but really hasn't been "shutdown" like he was in the past.  I think he gets one quality piece back if he remains in the closer role and stays at least slightly above average.  Similar value to Jones in return.

7. Richard Blier - Has quietly dominated the past couple of seasons, he's left-handed, affordable, and controllable. Not as valued as Givens, but like Givens, sell high. Might actually get a stronger return than we think depending on the LOOGY market.

8. Danny Valencia - Killing lefties as usual.  But that's it. Someone will need his bat.  Won't get much, but could get something.  Maybe a low A RP prospect?

9. Perdo Alvarez - LH version of Valencia.  Similar market and outcome essentially.  

10. Darren O'day - Has performed well when healthy.  The key is keeping him healthy for a few weeks and swinging him quickly.  The extra year on the contract could be attractive or scary depending on the next two months of health and performance.  Influences the potential return as well.  I'm willing to give away for low return to save money.

BONUS: Zach Britton - It's hard to make commentary on someone that hasn't thrown a pitch this year.  Maybe he won't.  If he does, and he's even slightly above average, I say swing him for something.  I wouldn't extend the qualifying offer after the season unless he absolutely destroyed the competition and reestablished himself to the point he was guaranteed a mega contract.  Probability seems to suggest that outcome as unlikely, so at this point we risk getting nothing at all in return if we don't trade a healthy Britton.  

A return from these 10 (potentially 11) moves would revamp a farm system that is currently in the middle of the pack as far as talent, yet staring down the road at a couple of opportune draft positions over the next couple of seasons.  Of course we know what is standing in the way of these moves.

I am for trading all of the ones you mentioned.  Since we are likely going to be awful for a few years, you could even keep Davis for the next two years  since no one will take him and the money is sunk anyway.     But make him pitch in the bullpen some....just kidding. 

Blow it up, baby!

 

[tntoriole]

1 hour ago, Rene88 said:

Just like Josh Hader was a long shot? Wait until he leaves Baltimore..

So we keep somebody to underperform for us until free agency just so they won’t pitch well for somebody else, maybe...  makes sense. 

[ScGO's]

Opinion question:  When I made this list a few weeks back, I didn't consider Trumbo up for trade for obvious reasons, but a few posts I've seen seem to suggest that some believe he has a trade market. His average is decent, but no power, and I don't really see a market for him, do you?

I also saw some people suggest that Cobb or Cashner could be trade candidates.  Personally, I would say wait until next year, but is there a market for these two as well?

Looks like Britton could be back soon, so hopefully he becomes a real trade option soon too.

I stand beside the others I originally listed as having potential markets.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Opinion question:  When I made this list a few weeks back, I didn't consider Trumbo up for trade for obvious reasons, but a few posts I've seen seem to suggest that some believe he has a trade market. His average is decent, but no power, and I don't really see a market for him, do you?

I also saw some people suggest that Cobb or Cashner could be trade candidates.  Personally, I would say wait until next year, but is there a market for these two as well?

Looks like Britton could be back soon, so hopefully he becomes a real trade option soon too.

I stand beside the others I originally listed as having potential markets.

A lot of the players on the O's rosters are there because of a lack of interest from other teams.

1. Davis
2. Trumbo
3. Alvarez
4. Valencia
5. Cobb
6. Cashner
7. Gentry

I don't think any of them has done anything to entice other teams to do so much as take over their contracts.

[weams]

On 5/27/2018 at 3:15 PM, ScGO's said:

From selling off these 10 players we could have a huge return 16+ new, young, controllable players in the system like that.

Manny = 3-4

Schoop = 3-4

Gausman - 2-3

Givens - 2-3

Jones - 1-2

Brach - 1-2

Valencia, Alvarez, Blier, O'day probably bring back 1 apiece.

A good draft this year followed by a 2019 draft where we are drafting in the top 5; that's a rebuild.

Front Page. HHP

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

A lot of the players on the O's rosters are there because of a lack of interest from other teams.

1. Davis
2. Trumbo
3. Alvarez
4. Valencia
5. Cobb
6. Cashner
7. Gentry

I don't think any of them has done anything to entice other teams to do so much as take over their contracts.

Truth of the matter is the O's need to see what they can get for Manny, Britton, Jones and Brach.   That will keep the FO busy.   I doubt the O's FO has the capacity to trade more than that at the deadline.  If some of them clear waivers they might be traded later.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

Truth of the matter is the O's need to see what they can get for Manny, Britton, Jones and Brach.   That will keep the FO busy.   I doubt the O's FO has the capacity to trade more than that at the deadline.  If some of them clear waivers they might be traded later.

Schoop, Givens.  See if anyone is willing to give up a piece for Bleier.

Givens should bring back more than Britton or Brach.