Kakes (Markakis) 2nd on OF All Star Voting in NL

[bpilktree67]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Raffy was eligible for the Hall, he just didn’t get the votes due to his association with PED’s.

I’d like to know, during the all star era, what is the minimum number of all star games for which any inductee was selected.

Blyleven has 2 all stars.   Yount had 3.

[Frobby]

Just now, bpilktree67 said:

Blyleven has 2 all stars.   Yount had 3.

It’s pretty surprising to me that Yount was only a three-time all star.    The guy had eight seasons at 4.9 rWAR or higher.    He also won the MVP in 1989 without having been named to the all star team.  

[InsideCoroner]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It’s pretty surprising to me that Yount was only a three-time all star.    The guy had eight seasons at 4.9 rWAR or higher.    He also won the MVP in 1989 without having been named to the all star team.  

Ripken seemingly buried everyone else at short from '84 and onward. 

[wildbillhiccup]

55 minutes ago, bpilktree67 said:

If he gets to 3000 hits he is in discussion.  No player eligble is not in the hall.  Though he might not get to that.  However no player also with 600+  doubles who is eligble for the hall is not in it.    So saying a guy that could possibly make both of those lists and not be in discussion is absurd.

About as absurd as saying he's going to play until he's 40 and sniff 3,000 hits. I'm happy for Nick's resurgence this year, but these are not HOF numbers. 

ear	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2006	22	BAL	AL	147	542	491	72	143	25	2	16	62	2	0	43	72	.291	.351	.448	.799	106	220	15	3	3	2	3	*97/8D	RoY-6
2007	23	BAL	AL	161	710	637	97	191	43	3	23	112	18	6	61	112	.300	.362	.485	.848	121	309	22	5	1	6	5	*9
2008	24	BAL	AL	157	697	595	106	182	48	1	20	87	10	7	99	113	.306	.406	.491	.897	136	292	10	2	0	1	7	*9
2009	25	BAL	AL	161	711	642	94	188	45	2	18	101	6	2	56	98	.293	.347	.453	.801	108	291	12	3	0	10	0	*9
2010	26	BAL	AL	160	709	629	79	187	45	3	12	60	7	2	73	93	.297	.370	.436	.805	120	274	18	2	0	5	9	*9/D
2011	27	BAL	AL	160	716	641	72	182	31	1	15	73	12	3	62	75	.284	.351	.406	.756	106	260	16	7	0	6	6	*9/3D	GG
2012	28	BAL	AL	104	471	420	59	125	28	3	13	54	1	1	42	51	.298	.363	.471	.834	126	198	11	4	0	5	3	9/D
2013	29	BAL	AL	160	700	634	89	172	24	0	10	59	1	2	55	76	.271	.329	.356	.685	88	226	17	3	0	8	3	*9/D
2014	30	BAL	AL	155	710	642	81	177	27	1	14	50	4	2	62	84	.276	.342	.386	.729	104	248	10	4	0	2	4	*9/D3	GG
2015	31	ATL	NL	156	686	612	73	181	38	1	3	53	2	1	70	83	.296	.370	.376	.746	109	230	17	3	0	1	11	*9/D
2016	32	ATL	NL	158	684	599	67	161	38	0	13	89	0	2	71	101	.269	.346	.397	.744	100	238	16	5	0	9	9	*9/D3
2017	33	ATL	NL	160	670	593	76	163	39	1	8	76	0	2	68	110	.275	.354	.384	.738	96	228	16	6	0	3	8	*9/D
2018	34	ATL	NL	65	291	260	41	85	19	0	8	43	1	1	28	28	.327	.388	.492	.881	141	128	10

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Well, if he got to 3,000 hits, there would be a discussion about it.    But I still think he wouldn’t get in.   

I think Nick probably could reach 3,000 if teams continued to play him 155+ games every year, as they have.    But my guess is that if his power slips back to the range it was from 2013-17, teams won’t give him that kind of playing time as he ages.   This year has been great for his career and may earn him a nice 2-year deal, but I think teams are going to be careful with signing him to anything longer than that.   

He already had his playing time threatened this year. Luckily Tucker cooled off before they called up Acuna. That's the rub. He's not going to continue to play everyday. My comment was more directed at how easily someone said he was going to play regularly until he was 40. Like it wasn't a stretch...

[ShaneDawg85]

4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

About as absurd as saying he's going to play until he's 40 and sniff 3,000 hits. I'm happy for Nick's resurgence this year, but these are not HOF numbers. 

ear	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2006	22	BAL	AL	147	542	491	72	143	25	2	16	62	2	0	43	72	.291	.351	.448	.799	106	220	15	3	3	2	3	*97/8D	RoY-6
2007	23	BAL	AL	161	710	637	97	191	43	3	23	112	18	6	61	112	.300	.362	.485	.848	121	309	22	5	1	6	5	*9
2008	24	BAL	AL	157	697	595	106	182	48	1	20	87	10	7	99	113	.306	.406	.491	.897	136	292	10	2	0	1	7	*9
2009	25	BAL	AL	161	711	642	94	188	45	2	18	101	6	2	56	98	.293	.347	.453	.801	108	291	12	3	0	10	0	*9
2010	26	BAL	AL	160	709	629	79	187	45	3	12	60	7	2	73	93	.297	.370	.436	.805	120	274	18	2	0	5	9	*9/D
2011	27	BAL	AL	160	716	641	72	182	31	1	15	73	12	3	62	75	.284	.351	.406	.756	106	260	16	7	0	6	6	*9/3D	GG
2012	28	BAL	AL	104	471	420	59	125	28	3	13	54	1	1	42	51	.298	.363	.471	.834	126	198	11	4	0	5	3	9/D
2013	29	BAL	AL	160	700	634	89	172	24	0	10	59	1	2	55	76	.271	.329	.356	.685	88	226	17	3	0	8	3	*9/D
2014	30	BAL	AL	155	710	642	81	177	27	1	14	50	4	2	62	84	.276	.342	.386	.729	104	248	10	4	0	2	4	*9/D3	GG
2015	31	ATL	NL	156	686	612	73	181	38	1	3	53	2	1	70	83	.296	.370	.376	.746	109	230	17	3	0	1	11	*9/D
2016	32	ATL	NL	158	684	599	67	161	38	0	13	89	0	2	71	101	.269	.346	.397	.744	100	238	16	5	0	9	9	*9/D3
2017	33	ATL	NL	160	670	593	76	163	39	1	8	76	0	2	68	110	.275	.354	.384	.738	96	228	16	6	0	3	8	*9/D
2018	34	ATL	NL	65	291	260	41	85	19	0	8	43	1	1	28	28	.327	.388	.492	.881	141	128	10

To be fair, at some point in the history of baseball they without a doubt would have been.  The last 25 years has changed what qualifies for a hall of fame worthy offensively. 

[Just Regular]

Knowing what a homebody Nick is, I'm pretty sure Atlanta will want him until Pache is ready, and be able to retain him - the only question is contract length.  It'd be an upset for them to make the playoffs this year, but probably not going forward.  Even if he makes 3000 hits, I think he'll more likely become the exception that proves the rule, but he may have an opportunity to make the gray area grayer sometime in the next 2-3 Octobers.  It worked for Jack Morris.

[OriolesMagic83]

Good for Markakis, I hope he makes the All-Star team and the postseason.  Did he ever make the postseason with the O's.  I thought he was injured in 2012.

[ShaneDawg85]

16 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Good for Markakis, I hope he makes the All-Star team and the postseason.  Did he ever make the postseason with the O's.  I thought he was injured in 2012.

2014.  Batted leadoff every game, hit homer as I can recall.  To my ears, he got the loudest ovation of anyone not named Buck or Jones during player intro's before the ALDS.

[BRobinsonfan]

20 hours ago, waroriole said:

He’s finally all star caliber 

[wildbillhiccup]

6 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

You would need a lot of help.

Thankfully the internet exists and if you can get the idea to take fire, it can happen.

Good luck, I'd like to see it happen just to see if he would refuse.

I think a local radio station in Florida is / was trying to do the same thing with Lewis Brinson. I guess they're still peeved Jeter traded Yelich. 

[tntoriole]

7 hours ago, Babypowder said:

As I stated, they didn't do a great job of replacing him. Those are separate issues.

No, they really are not separate issues.   Cost savings as a strategy is Angelos through and through.  It was Mike Mussina part deux.     Your strategy would be fine if the next step was to take the identified spending savings and reinvest them in bettering the position vacated by the lifetime Oriole who had just participated in a major way to leading us to our first division championship in years.    But, if you think that is the way this decision was made, then we just disagree.    They were dumb not to go the extra year and dumber trying to fill the position.  

[tntoriole]

7 hours ago, Frobby said:

They got really unlucky with their corner OF choices in 2015.   Every single one underperformed both their 2014 numbers and their career numbers.    To put the cherry on top, De Aza had a .636 OPS for us and then an .809 OPS after he was traded away in June, and then Parra dropped from .886 to .625 after we acquired him at the trade deadline.   Anything that could go wrong, did go wrong with that group.  

And Travis Snider's excuse?   Or making our defense in right completely porous by throwing Trumbo out there....or Delmon Young?  for God's sake.    Whose brilliant baseball mind came up with these choices?  

[tntoriole]

Just now, tntoriole said:

And Travis Snider's excuse?   Or making our defense in right completely porous by throwing Trumbo out there....or Delmon Young?  for God's sake.  Or Nolan Reimold?  Or Colby Rasmus? etc. etc.     Whose brilliant baseball mind came up with these choices?  

 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

And Travis Snider's excuse?   Or making our defense in right completely porous by throwing Trumbo out there....or Delmon Young?  for God's sake.    Whose brilliant baseball mind came up with these choices?  

I already made the point.

Snider: .716 career OPS going into 2015, .776 in 2014.    Was at .663 for the O’s in 2015.

Young: .742 career OPS going into 2015, .779 in 2014.    Was at .628 for the O’s in 2015.

Similar story for every single corner OF they used in 2015.     When you roll six dice, you don’t expect to roll six one’s.    That’s essentially what happened.     I’m not saying it was a spectacular group, but the O’s rightly should have expected them to do better.   Probably 60-70 OPS points better, as a group, than they did.