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1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

His ERA was 1.15 runs higher than his career average.

1st half .313 BA against and 6.41 ERA

2nd half  .232 BA Against and 2.56 ERA

I can't explain why but I expected closer to the 2nd half pitcher. I'm sure the Orioles did as well....I expect 25-30 starts in 2019 with an ERA under 3.50

I can't fault the GM for signing him. He was a solid signing who we got cheap , he reported late hoping for more, and suffered to get on track.

 

..but we're ok ignoring how awful the Tillman and Cashner signings were? 

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We are going to be a laughing stock with our 5 representatives at a showcase where the winner has apparently already been determined.  Only hope is Marlins try to get both Gaston and VVM and the cut in money is to great for one to accept.

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I do wish Cobb hadn't cost a first round pick.  (Yes I know what I said)

I was replying to Wildbill on this and I wish he hadn't cost a pick either. With that said, if he pitches in the first half like he did after the all star break (minus the blisters) you will deal him for much more than we gave up with 2 and 1/2 seasons of control. On a good team he's a very good number 2 for around 15 million.

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4 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

His ERA was 1.15 runs higher than his career average.

1st half .313 BA against and 6.41 ERA

2nd half  .232 BA Against and 2.56 ERA

I can't explain why but I expected closer to the 2nd half pitcher. I'm sure the Orioles did as well....I expect 25-30 starts in 2019 with an ERA under 3.50

I can't fault the GM for signing him. He was a solid signing who we got cheap , he reported late hoping for more, and suffered to get on track.

 

It was that #*@ing minor league ball!  :bangwall:

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2 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

..but we're ok ignoring how awful the Tillman and Cashner signings were? 

Cashner was also 1.2 ERA over his career .... that is not what you expected but he want awful. He was backend of the rotation which is what most said he was at the time he was signed.

Tillman was just plain stupid.....but who was key in bringing him back? As I recall Buck and the pitching coach were lobbying hard for Tilly believing they could fix him.

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Interview of Victor Mesa (father). He was a legendary Cuban baseball player. At the end he said he’s certain his life will be shared between Cuba and Miami. This is probably the most definitive sign of the Marlins being a front runner for the Mesa Bros.https://t.co/NOyX2cSTux

— Luis Davila (@luisrdavi) October 4, 2018

 

Beyond that he explains how much sense it makes for Miami to sign both his sons. This is honestly looking like a done deal to me. Mike Hill was named dropped. Wow. I think it’s time we get excited.

— Luis Davila (@luisrdavi) October 4, 2018

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55 minutes ago, Santandah said:

I don't get the Puig hate. Sure, he's has some down periods and is a prima dona. But I wouldn't mind having him in the outfield. The guy has moments of sheer brilliance. 

Puig drove 120 MPH with his mother in the car.

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13 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Cashner was also 1.2 ERA over his career .... that is not what you expected but he want awful. He was backend of the rotation which is what most said he was at the time he was signed.

Tillman was just plain stupid.....but who was key in bringing him back? As I recall Buck and the pitching coach were lobbying hard for Tilly believing they could fix him.

1.2 era? When, in high school? Cashner was awful for two straight years (2015, 2016). His 2017 season was the outlier. You don't give back end rotation guys with 5+ eras multi-year contracts. 

 

Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
2010 23 CHC NL 2 6 .250 4.80 53 0 9 0 0 0 54.1 55 31 29 8 30 5 50 4 1 4 248 89 5.03 1.564 9.1 1.3 5.0 8.3 1.67  
2011 24 CHC NL 0 0   1.69 7 1 0 0 0 0 10.2 3 2 2 1 4 0 8 0 0 0 39 239 3.87 0.656 2.5 0.8 3.4 6.8 2.00  
2012 25 SDP NL 3 4 .429 4.27 33 5 5 0 0 0 46.1 42 23 22 5 19 1 52 1 0 2 196 85 3.55 1.317 8.2 1.0 3.7 10.1 2.74  
2013 26 SDP NL 10 9 .526 3.09 31 26 2 1 1 0 175.0 151 68 60 12 47 3 128 4 0 5 707 111 3.35 1.131 7.8 0.6 2.4 6.6 2.72  
2014 27 SDP NL 5 7 .417 2.55 19 19 0 2 2 0 123.1 110 42 35 7 29 3 93 1 0 2 506 132 3.09 1.127 8.0 0.5 2.1 6.8 3.21  
2015 28 SDP NL 6 16 .273 4.34 31 31 0 0 0 0 184.2 200 111 89 19 66 2 165 6 0 3 804 86 3.85 1.440 9.7 0.9 3.2 8.0 2.50  
2016 29 TOT NL 5 11 .313 5.25 28 27 1 0 0 0 132.0 142 83 77 19 60 3 112 7 0 3 588 76 4.84 1.530 9.7 1.3 4.1 7.6 1.87  
2016 29 SDP NL 4 7 .364 4.76 16 16 0 0 0 0 79.1 80 47 42 13 30 0 67 6 0 1 347 84 4.95 1.387 9.1 1.5 3.4 7.6 2.23  
2016 29 MIA NL 1 4 .200 5.98 12 11 1 0 0 0 52.2 62 36 35 6 30 3 45 1 0 2 241 66 4.68 1.747 10.6 1.0 5.1 7.7 1.50  
2017 30 TEX AL 11 11 .500 3.40 28 28 0 0 0 0 166.2 156 75 63 15 64 0 86 9 1 10 704 142 4.61 1.320 8.4 0.8 3.5 4.6 1.34  
2018 31 BAL AL 4 15 .211 5.29 28 28 0 0 0 0 153.0 177 97 90 25 65 3 99 3 0 6 681 78 5.32 1.582
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11 minutes ago, Malike said:

Interview of Victor Mesa (father). He was a legendary Cuban baseball player. At the end he said he’s certain his life will be shared between Cuba and Miami. This is probably the most definitive sign of the Marlins being a front runner for the Mesa Bros.https://t.co/NOyX2cSTux

— Luis Davila (@luisrdavi) October 4, 2018

 

Beyond that he explains how much sense it makes for Miami to sign both his sons. This is honestly looking like a done deal to me. Mike Hill was named dropped. Wow. I think it’s time we get excited.

— Luis Davila (@luisrdavi) October 4, 2018

Makes sense.  I'm prepared for the worst.  Can we at least trade in our left-over slot money for little toys before we go home? 

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45 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

1.2 era? When, in high school? Cashner was awful for two straight years (2015, 2016). His 2017 season was the outlier. You don't give back end rotation guys with 5+ eras multi-year contracts. 

 

Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
2010 23 CHC NL 2 6 .250 4.80 53 0 9 0 0 0 54.1 55 31 29 8 30 5 50 4 1 4 248 89 5.03 1.564 9.1 1.3 5.0 8.3 1.67  
2011 24 CHC NL 0 0   1.69 7 1 0 0 0 0 10.2 3 2 2 1 4 0 8 0 0 0 39 239 3.87 0.656 2.5 0.8 3.4 6.8 2.00  
2012 25 SDP NL 3 4 .429 4.27 33 5 5 0 0 0 46.1 42 23 22 5 19 1 52 1 0 2 196 85 3.55 1.317 8.2 1.0 3.7 10.1 2.74  
2013 26 SDP NL 10 9 .526 3.09 31 26 2 1 1 0 175.0 151 68 60 12 47 3 128 4 0 5 707 111 3.35 1.131 7.8 0.6 2.4 6.6 2.72  
2014 27 SDP NL 5 7 .417 2.55 19 19 0 2 2 0 123.1 110 42 35 7 29 3 93 1 0 2 506 132 3.09 1.127 8.0 0.5 2.1 6.8 3.21  
2015 28 SDP NL 6 16 .273 4.34 31 31 0 0 0 0 184.2 200 111 89 19 66 2 165 6 0 3 804 86 3.85 1.440 9.7 0.9 3.2 8.0 2.50  
2016 29 TOT NL 5 11 .313 5.25 28 27 1 0 0 0 132.0 142 83 77 19 60 3 112 7 0 3 588 76 4.84 1.530 9.7 1.3 4.1 7.6 1.87  
2016 29 SDP NL 4 7 .364 4.76 16 16 0 0 0 0 79.1 80 47 42 13 30 0 67 6 0 1 347 84 4.95 1.387 9.1 1.5 3.4 7.6 2.23  
2016 29 MIA NL 1 4 .200 5.98 12 11 1 0 0 0 52.2 62 36 35 6 30 3 45 1 0 2 241 66 4.68 1.747 10.6 1.0 5.1 7.7 1.50  
2017 30 TEX AL 11 11 .500 3.40 28 28 0 0 0 0 166.2 156 75 63 15 64 0 86 9 1 10 704 142 4.61 1.320 8.4 0.8 3.5 4.6 1.34  
2018 31 BAL AL 4 15 .211 5.29 28 28 0 0 0 0 153.0 177 97 90 25 65 3 99 3 0 6 681 78 5.32 1.582

 

45 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

1.2 era? When, in high school? Cashner was awful for two straight years (2015, 2016). His 2017 season was the outlier. You don't give back end rotation guys with 5+ eras multi-year contracts. 

 

Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
2010 23 CHC NL 2 6 .250 4.80 53 0 9 0 0 0 54.1 55 31 29 8 30 5 50 4 1 4 248 89 5.03 1.564 9.1 1.3 5.0 8.3 1.67  
2011 24 CHC NL 0 0   1.69 7 1 0 0 0 0 10.2 3 2 2 1 4 0 8 0 0 0 39 239 3.87 0.656 2.5 0.8 3.4 6.8 2.00  
2012 25 SDP NL 3 4 .429 4.27 33 5 5 0 0 0 46.1 42 23 22 5 19 1 52 1 0 2 196 85 3.55 1.317 8.2 1.0 3.7 10.1 2.74  
2013 26 SDP NL 10 9 .526 3.09 31 26 2 1 1 0 175.0 151 68 60 12 47 3 128 4 0 5 707 111 3.35 1.131 7.8 0.6 2.4 6.6 2.72  
2014 27 SDP NL 5 7 .417 2.55 19 19 0 2 2 0 123.1 110 42 35 7 29 3 93 1 0 2 506 132 3.09 1.127 8.0 0.5 2.1 6.8 3.21  
2015 28 SDP NL 6 16 .273 4.34 31 31 0 0 0 0 184.2 200 111 89 19 66 2 165 6 0 3 804 86 3.85 1.440 9.7 0.9 3.2 8.0 2.50  
2016 29 TOT NL 5 11 .313 5.25 28 27 1 0 0 0 132.0 142 83 77 19 60 3 112 7 0 3 588 76 4.84 1.530 9.7 1.3 4.1 7.6 1.87  
2016 29 SDP NL 4 7 .364 4.76 16 16 0 0 0 0 79.1 80 47 42 13 30 0 67 6 0 1 347 84 4.95 1.387 9.1 1.5 3.4 7.6 2.23  
2016 29 MIA NL 1 4 .200 5.98 12 11 1 0 0 0 52.2 62 36 35 6 30 3 45 1 0 2 241 66 4.68 1.747 10.6 1.0 5.1 7.7 1.50  
2017 30 TEX AL 11 11 .500 3.40 28 28 0 0 0 0 166.2 156 75 63 15 64 0 86 9 1 10 704 142 4.61 1.320 8.4 0.8 3.5 4.6 1.34  
2018 31 BAL AL 4 15 .211 5.29 28 28 0 0 0 0 153.0 177 97 90 25 65 3 99 3 0 6 681 78 5.32 1.582

OMG. You're relentless. You absolutely hate Cashner, Cobb, Tillman and Brady. We got it the first 50 times you said it. Give it a rest. 

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On 10/4/2018 at 5:06 PM, weams said:

No sir. Not anymore. And live? These are  non resident alien worker from what I recall. 

You sure? If you have your Cuban ID Card with you when you land in the US, you are automatically granted citizenship according to federal law passed under the kennedy administration. Are they officially citizens of the DR? 

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