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Not in talent but in the way Elias is likely to handle Hays development.  Both these players are core players for their teams.   Springer was drafted at 21 out of college.  Hays was drafted a few day before his 21st birthday out of college.

After climbing to AA at age 22 Springer was Baseball America #37 prospect.  But the Jeff Luhnow did not promoted Springer to the majors at that point.   The made him spend the next season at AA/AAA holding back him major league service clock. Springer debuted in the majors in April of 2014 at 24 year, 209 day old.

So Elias takes over Hays development at 23 year old.  He has been Baseball America's #21 prospect pre 2018.     But he has not played a day at AAA yet.    If Elias follows Luhnow development pattern, Hays will spend all or most of 2019 in the minors at AA/AAA.   Even if he has a great spring training.     Delaying Hays major  league  service clock.

2019 for the Orioles is likely not about winning.  Its about collection young talent for 2022 when the O's are ready to start  winning.   So there is no reason to rush Hays or to use up his major league clock early.  

I think its a good comparison.  What do you think?

 

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Not in talent but in the way Elias is likely to handle Hays development.  Both these players are core players for their teams.   Springer was draft at 21 out of college.  Hays was drafted a few day before his 21st birthday out of college.

After climbing to AA at age 22 Springer was Baseball America #37 prospect.  But the Jeff Luhnow did not promoted Springer to the majors at that point.   The made him spend the next season at AA/AAA holding back him major league service clock. Springer debuted in the majors in April of 2014 at 24 year, 209 day old.

So Elias takes over Hays development at 23 year old.  He has been Baseball America's #21 prospect pre 2018.     But he has not played a day at AAA yet.    If Elias follows Luhnow development pattern, Hays will spend all or most of 2019 in the minors at AA/AAA.   Even if he has a great spring training.     Delaying Hays major  league  service clock.

2019 for the Orioles is likely not about winning.  It about collection young talent for 2022 when the O's are ready to start  winning.   So there is no reason to rush Hays or to use up his major league clock early.  

I think its a look comparison.  What do you think?

 

I think you are using a single data point and extrapolating from it.

Do we know that Elias was in charge of his promotion to the majors?

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think you are using a single data point and extrapolating from it.

Do we know that Elias was in charge of his promotion to the majors?

Read what I posted. I stated that Luhnow was in charge of Springer's development.   The question is will Elias follow Luhnow's development pattern with Hays.

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3 minutes ago, waroriole said:

There’s a lot of odd assumptions with this board lately. Every thing that happened in Houston isn’t going to happen here. Hays is nothing like Springer and it’s useless to try and draw any conclusions from the way he was handled. 

That is a valid opinion but I think its a interesting comparison.  Time will tell if its  pattern Elias will follow.  

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1 minute ago, wildcard said:

That is a valid opinion but I think its a interesting comparison.  Time will tell if its  pattern Elias will follow.  

I don't think it even qualifies as a pattern.

Is this a pattern?

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5 minutes ago, waroriole said:

There’s a lot of odd assumptions with this board lately. Every thing that happened in Houston isn’t going to happen here. Hays is nothing like Springer and it’s useless to try and draw any conclusions from the way he was handled. 

I sure hope we don't release J. D. Martinez.  Or draft Aiken.

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These guys are are incredibly different prospects. 1-11 pick versus third round pick, etc. The Orioles should hope and pray they have a service time issue with Austin Hayes. 

 

P.s.  that said, I think the new administration will probably promote players at a slower rate than the Orioles. They seemed to be overly aggressive with several players the past few years.  Hayes promotion to the bigs, for example, seemed pretty short sighted. He was the first player from his draft class to make it to the majors. 

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1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I think you are probably right about what will happen, mostly because it's the right thing to do, not because of any comparisons to Houston. He has had injuries and is coming off a bad season. I would not expect to see him until September at the earliest 

Exactly my view.    It makes no sense at all for Hays to be on the OD roster.    To me, the interesting thing will be if they start him in AA again, or move him to AAA.    Either way, if he hits the way he did in 2017, I expect he will spend some time in Baltimore this year.   Whether that’s in July or September, I don’t know.     But I doubt it’s sooner than July no matter what he does.   

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