How Does TB Constantly Get Good Pitching, But We Never Can?

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

But then they sold every good one for new youngsters before renewing  almost every time. They trade all their top talent before extension for more pitching. 

Works better than waiting for them to hit free agency to sign them.

[CheeryO]

On 4/8/2019 at 12:38 PM, Can_of_corn said:

Part of it is they trade for young pitchers instead of trading them away.

[bpilktree]

It’s  all a snowball effect from being bad for years they had some guys that reached their potential they then traded them for good prospects.  Delmon young is labeled as a bust for them as a draft.  He was drafted in 2003 then traded for a deal that included Matt Garza.  Matt Garza played for them for 3 years.  Garza then  traded in deal that gets them Chris Archer.  Archer becomes a top pitcher fir them for 6 years then is traded for Glasnow meadows and Baz. They turned Young into a 16 year top pitcher and maybe more.  

At times I wonder if the fact they have no fans helps them as they don’t have to appease a fan base as they have none so they can move star easiler.  We get a guy like jones Davis Machado and have to hold on to them affraid to aleniate the fan base trading a star,  

[nate22]

12 hours ago, weams said:

Do you think so?  I heard that Gausman was chained at the hip with O’Day. 

The Pirates were interested in Gausman and Archer according to rumors.  If that was true, I would think that Glasnow could have at least been acquired because it seemed as if the Pirates were down on him at the time. Now, if the dealbreaker was taking on O'Day aswell, then the Orioles messed up in lowering Gausman's value.  I still think we could have acquired Glasnow for Gausman straight up and maybe acquired another piece(s) in the process. Glasnow's issues were only in control. His stuff was still top notch at the time. His control issues have seemed to have vanished. To be able to acquire a pitcher with his ceiling and pedigree for Gausman is a deal you make. It wasn't as if Gausman was lighting the league on fire at the time.

[stillofan]

Could Glasnow's success be due to change of scenery?  His numbers in Pittsburgh weren't that great. Maybe Tampa Bay got lucky on that one.

[nate22]

9 minutes ago, stillofan said:

Could Glasnow's success be due to change of scenery?  His numbers in Pittsburgh weren't that great. Maybe Tampa Bay got lucky on that one.

Tampa got Meadows and Baz in the deal. Even if they got lucky, they still made out like bandits. With that said, Glasnow was a mega prospect with  only control issues. If he was considered a throw in, that's a steal. We ended up trading Gausman for lottery tickets anyway.

[bobmc]

7 minutes ago, stillofan said:

Could Glasnow's success be due to change of scenery?  His numbers in Pittsburgh weren't that great. Maybe Tampa Bay got lucky on that one.

@OFFNY posted an article on the ONGOING LINEUP THREAD, 2019 with some data on his changes.  Here is a quote and then data follow:

"There are several things changes in the works, but one stands out: He’s throwing in the zone more. Out of 140 pitchers in 2018, Glasnow ranked 127th in strike rate. This year, Glasnow has jumped to 15th out of 132. Glasnow has moved from ninth percentile to the 88th percentile in strike rate. That is… insane. He’s gone from someone who couldn’t throw strikes to one of the best strike-throwers in the league."

https://www.pitcherlist.com/going-deep-tyler-glasnow-is-metamorphosing-before-our-very-eyes/

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

45 minutes ago, stillofan said:

Could Glasnow's success be due to change of scenery?  His numbers in Pittsburgh weren't that great. Maybe Tampa Bay got lucky on that one.

Or that Tampa knows how to develop and coach pitching talent. Something that has been a struggle for the Orioles outside of bullpen arms for a generation now. 

[Frobby]

13 hours ago, weams said:

But then they sold every good one for new youngsters before renewing  almost every time. They trade all their top talent before extension for more pitching. 

They’ve been brilliant.   My favorite series of trades is:

1.   Trade Delmon Young and parts for Matt Garza and parts.    Garza gives Tampa 592 innings at a 3.86 ERA over the next 3 years.

2.   Trade Garza and parts for Chris Archer and parts.   

3.   Sign Archer to a very favorable extension.   Get 1,069 innings of a 3.69 ERA from Archer over 6.5 years.

4.   Trade Archer for Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows.   Both are looking like studs.    

Seems like they always get good value from their trades.   

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

They’ve been brilliant.   My favorite series of trades is:

1.   Trade Delmon Young and parts for Matt Garza and parts.    Garza gives Tampa 592 innings at a 3.86 ERA over the next 3 years.

2.   Trade Garza and parts for Chris Archer and parts.   

3.   Sign Archer to a very favorable extension.   Get 1,069 innings of a 3.69 ERA from Archer over 6.5 years.

4.   Trade Archer for Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows.   Both are looking like studs.    

Seems like they always get good value from their trades.   

It’s a shame the Rays don’t have a more dedicated fan base. They are probably the best run franchise in baseball given their lack of resources. 

[weams]

1 hour ago, stillofan said:

Could Glasnow's success be due to change of scenery?  His numbers in Pittsburgh weren't that great. Maybe Tampa Bay got lucky on that one.

Change of weather? 

[bobmc]

Just now, weams said:

Change of weather? 

Air-conditioned comfort of the dome?  Muggy scooter ride to the Trop?

[bobmc]

56 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

It’s a shame the Rays don’t have a more dedicated fan base. They are probably the best run franchise in baseball given their lack of resources. 

They may be like this one here - lingering on the "Ray's Realm", offering ideas on how to rebuild????

[weams]

2 minutes ago, bobmc said:

Air-conditioned comfort of the dome?  Muggy scooter ride to the Trop?

Easy to get loose. 

[weams]

1 minute ago, bobmc said:

They may be like this one here - lingering on the "Ray's Realm", offering ideas on how to rebuild????

No.