How Does TB Constantly Get Good Pitching, But We Never Can?

[ORIOLE33]

Over the years TB has been about as bad or good as us. But the one difference is that they almost always seem to develop pitching. It’s early, but our pitching compared to theirs is a joke. Even the Yankees, who are normally better than we our, always seem to develop better pitching. 

Man, I hope things will change over the next few years. 

[Frobby]

Tampa really has a great development staff on the pitching side.     Let’s give Elias, Mejdal and Holt some time to see what they can do.    Certainly the Astros seemed to be doing a very good job.  

[Ohfan67]

Hmmm, good point. I wonder if there are any threads on OH that have discussed this topic since, umm, I don't know, maybe the first day OH went online?  But seriously...there are hundreds threads and thousands of posts on this topic. Bad to mediocre drafting over many years, very poor development, few to no meaningful international signings, and bad luck with injuries. We are all hoping the future is much brighter. The Orioles do have interesting arms in the lower minors. Keep your fingers crossed. 

[Can_of_corn]

Part of it is they trade for young pitchers instead of trading them away.

[Moose Milligan]

They've been smarter and more well run.  Maybe until now.

[Aglets]

I'm guessing the Rays were willing to sign players from places outside of the US and had an analytics staff with more than one person on it.

When big Pete was running the show we were just slightly behind in certain areas.

[sportsfan8703]

22 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Part of it is they trade for young pitchers instead of trading them away.

See the Tim Beckham trade. Or the Travis Snider, Gerardo Parra trades. 

[Babypowder]

It certainly doesn't come anywhere close to explaining the difference, but their ballpark contributes to suppressing runs. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

34 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

See the Tim Beckham trade. Or the Travis Snider, Gerardo Parra trades. 

Bud Norris even if he was a big help in 2014.

[MongoBoy]

1 hour ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Over the years TB has been about as bad or good as us. But the one difference is that they almost always seem to develop pitching. It’s early, but our pitching compared to theirs is a joke. Even the Yankees, who are normally better than we our, always seem to develop better pitching. 

Man, I hope things will change over the next few years. 

CD is still playing.  Need to say more?

[Philip]

Dan worked for us instead of for them...

[LookinUp]

Our player development for pitching might have looked better if we didn't trade away Hader, Eduardo Rodriguez, Davies, Bridwell (was he a trade?) and Tobias Myers. Wondering if I'm forgetting others. 

FWIW, I was in favor of most of those deals at the time. Necessary evils, in my mind.

[Edit: Ironically, the Myers trade might have been the worst, IMO, at the time, just because Beckham was already pretty much known to be a scrub.]

[nate22]

We traded Gausman to Atlanta (a team overflowing with young pitching) and couldn't get one of those guys.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, nate22 said:

We traded Gausman to Atlanta (a team overflowing with young pitching) and couldn't get one of those guys.

But they got out from under the O'Day contract.

[tntoriole]

13 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Our player development for pitching might have looked better if we didn't trade away Hader, Eduardo Rodriguez, Davies, Bridwell (was he a trade?) and Tobias Myers. Wondering if I'm forgetting others. 

FWIW, I was in favor of most of those deals at the time. Necessary evils, in my mind.

[Edit: Ironically, the Myers trade might have been the worst, IMO, at the time, just because Beckham was already pretty much known to be a scrub.]

Add in Steven Brault and Stephen Tarpley to that group as well.