I really want to keep Villar (Update: Traded to Marlins for LHS Easton Lucas)

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, interloper said:

Totally fair response and I definitely get it. 

I guess I kind of just don't care how cold and heartless they are about the current 25-man roster in the next few years as long as I'm seeing real progress in the places where the Orioles have been literally decades behind the rest of the game (analytics, scouting, international, technology, coaching, development, etc). Seeing that stuff built up the right way by really smart/accomplished people has done more for my morale as an O's fan than any 25-man roster move could. 

We know this team has money and will spend money. They've spent it like absolute boneheads for the most part (Davis, Cobb, Ubaldo), but they will spend when the time is right to strike. In no way does waiving Villar make me worry about a homegrown #1 pick stud like Adley, if he indeed lives up to the hype. 

Mancini won't be next this year, but he 100% will be when he's in his last year before free agency. Bundy will be and should be traded for whatever you can get. None of that has anything to do with the next wave of talent, because that wave is Elias' wave. The fans who jump off because of this kind of thing can see themselves out. They'll be back when the team starts winning with a group of young stars supplemented by smart free agency and trade pickups. 

And I understand your take, but what makes you think the money they are saving by just cutting or trading veterans is going to go back into those developments? Those things happened last year while they were paying Davis, Cobb, Trumbo around $50 million to stink or not play. 

Basically I'm all about them not going out and trying to sign Free agents, but you just don't cut the guys you already have for nothing. That's just embarrassing and sends an awful message. 

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I'd argue that we might have made it more easily if Buck would have played the clearly better that year Joseph over Wieters more.

You realize that was the year Caleb had a .413 OPS and zero RBI in 141 PA?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

You realize that was the year Caleb had a .413 OPS and zero RBI in 141 PA?

But his framing was aces!

[SteveA]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

You realize that was the year Caleb had a .413 OPS and zero RBI in 141 PA?

Frobby has no credibility!   He's using RBIs to make his point!!!   That's so last century.

[Roll Tide]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I wonder what the difference is between the lowest profit and the highest profit?

Was 2016 one of the years the Orioles "lost" money?

The Phillies made 88M in 2016 (Forbes).  If the difference between first and 30th is 50 million a year I'm guessing a lot of team owners would rather have a half a billion dollars.

Isn't 1000 millions = to 1 Billion?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

Isn't 1000 millions = to 1 Billion?

Am I doing something wrong?

50M X 10 = 500M.  500M X 2 = 1000 million. 

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But his framing was aces!

Well, not to pour more salt on Tony’s wound, but the pitchers had a 3.98 ERA for Wieters compared to 4.28 for Joseph.   And, the team went 65-48 in Wieters’ starts, 19-21 in Joseph’s starts.     So, I think we win this argument.    

[weams]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You realize that was the year Caleb had a .413 OPS and zero RBI in 141 PA?

Didn't the crushed testicle play into that all?

[Roll Tide]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Am I doing something wrong?

50M X 10 = 500M.  500M X 2 = 1000 million. 

So if they pocketed 50 million a year for 20 they'd have a billion ...no?

[Tony-OH]

9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Clearly better?

By rWAR 2016:

Wieters-   1.9

Joseph-   -.9

I meant coming into the year Caleb was clearly better. Caleb just could not produce without regular at bats. When he played regularly he produced. Signing Wieters to the $17 million QO was a gamble that didn't pay off.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Am I doing something wrong?

50M X 10 = 500M.  500M X 2 = 1000 million. 

Just expressing it funny.   1000 million is a billion.   

I have a project in mind to track some of the Forbes data over a period of time and see what the long term profitability is, recognizing the limits on the accuracy or completeness of that data.    But I don’t think the results will surprise anyone.   
 

[TheOtherRipken]

Looks like Profar got traded, granted not for much. Still hard for me to imagine O’s got 0 offers for Villar.  

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

So if they pocketed 50 million a year for 20 they'd have a billion ...no?

Yes but the 2020's are only going to last 10 years, despite have 20 in them twice. 

[Tony-OH]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You realize that was the year Caleb had a .413 OPS and zero RBI in 141 PA?

I meant coming into the year. I didn't make it very clear. Obviously Caleb had a horrid year as a backup.

[weams]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I meant coming into the year Caleb was clearly better. Caleb just could not produce without regular at bats. When he played regularly he produced. Signing Wieters to the $17 million QO was a gamble that didn't pay off.

I think we can all agree the gamble that I would always be right did not pay off.