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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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1 minute ago, John Welch said:

Yea, no.

You and I disagree. No big deal.

The kids in the minors are well aware this is a business. 

I think at least some of the kids in the minors bought into the lines that Elias was spouting.  I know a fair number of folks on the hangout seemed to.

Mountcastle not being promoted has NOTHING to do with his defense or walk rate.

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That's a short-sighted point of view that doesn't take into consideration all the reasons why you should care about service time. Thankfully we have a GM that is well-versed in a long-term plan for th

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I expect Mountcastle. For a rebuilding team to have the International League Player of the Year and not call him up would squander a chance for him to get a taste of the big leagues and for fans to ge

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I understand it, I just don't agree with the thinking.  I think it sends a poor message to both Mountcastle and the other kids in the minors for a rather dubious long term advantage.

Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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1 minute ago, John Welch said:

I'm curious how you know that.

Because the best way to improve his defense and strike zone judgement would be to promote him to the majors so he can continue to work on it now that the AAA season is over.  The second best way would be to send him to the AFL.  The third best way would be to send him to winter league ball.  The fourth would be to send him down to instructs.

They don't appear to be doing any of that.

 

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because the best way to improve his defense and strike zone judgement would be to promote him to the majors so he can continue to work on it now that the AAA season is over.  The second best way would be to send him to the AFL.  The third best way would be to send him to winter league ball.  The fourth would be to send him down to instructs.

They don't appear to be doing any of that.

 

Or send him home with instructions. 

Most of these guys work out all offseason. 

I don't know why they didn't bring him up but I'm positive they know the player better than I do. If it's solely a service time decision, I don't disagree with that in the slightest. The lack of walks is often an issue for a player coming to MLB. Being below average at any defensive position seems like an issue. 

I trust Elias has a well thought out plan. 

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1 hour ago, Philip said:

Fair enough. My own feeling is that with effective drafting, we are always going to have guys in the system preparing to replace the guys we have on the big team. Much has been made of Mountcastle’s defensive limitations, and the need to find him a place to play. It is probable that in, say, four years, we will have better players and we can trade Mountcastle.

I think one thing the team should adopt is never keeping a player All the way to free agency. Either extend him or trade him after four.

Even with your plan, players have greater trade value when they have an extra year to go before free agency.    It makes all the business sense in the world to have Mountcastle under control for 6 years, 160+ days as opposed to 6 years period.

I am not worried that Mountcastle will be discouraged or have hurt feelings.  

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6 minutes ago, John Welch said:

Or send him home with instructions. 

Most of these guys work out all offseason. 

I don't know why they didn't bring him up but I'm positive they know the player better than I do. If it's solely a service time decision, I don't disagree with that in the slightest. The lack of walks is often an issue for a player coming to MLB. Being below average at any defensive position seems like an issue. 

I trust Elias has a well thought out plan. 

Which would be not as good as the other options.

How is he going to work on his strike zone judgement at home? 

I'm sure Elias has a well thought out plan.  I never said otherwise, you are rather obviously trying to deflect from the topic you wanted to discuss. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Even with your plan, players have greater trade value when they have an extra year to go before free agency.    It makes all the business sense in the world to have Mountcastle under control for 6 years, 160+ days as opposed to 6 years period.

I am not worried that Mountcastle will be discouraged or have hurt feelings.  

Depends on the player.  Do you think Schoops' trade value was higher last year because of the extra year of service time?

If you promote them early next year they are going to be super 2's and a lot of players would get non-tendered before being paid super 2 money.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Which would be not as good as the other options.

How is he going to work on his strike zone judgement at home? 

I'm sure Elias has a well thought out plan.  I never said otherwise, you are rather obviously trying to deflect from the topic you wanted to discuss. 

 

I think you're a little more passionate about this than I am. I'm not trying to deflect anything but I didn't intend to start an argument either. 

I'll leave the rest to you.

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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Depends on the player.  Do you think Schoops' trade value was higher last year because of the extra year of service time?

Of course I do.   Better to have the option of keeping the player for an extra year, even if you don’t end up using it.   

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I don't.  I think the Brewers traded for him intending to non-tender him at the end of the season.  

I don’t think they had predetermined anything.   Schoop played poorly for them and that was that.   I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that they’d have non-tendered him if he’d played well.  

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

And delay the date we can call him up next year without incurring a full year of service time. 

If they think service time is an issue for Mountcastle, I'm fine with that. I don't think it should be. But if they are concerned about it they could  offer him a long-term deal that guarantees his earnings in exchange for a year or two of free agency before bringing him up.

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