Will Andrew Cashner show up in the O's camp in the next week?

[wildcard]

Cashner (33) is still a free agent.  He is comfortable with the O's team.  He likes pitching coach Doug Brocail.  Has had some of his best seasons with him.  He likes Brandon Hyde.  I am not sure how he feels about Mike Elias who traded him last July.

He would solve a lot of problems for the O's rotation giving them Means, Cashner, Cobb and Wojo as the first 4 in the rotation.  They could eat a lot of innings and his 3.83 ERA in 17 starts last year with the O's  stands out. 

So why hasn't' he been signed?   Money and trade control.    Last season Cashner made 11m.   8m in salary plus bonuses.   Elias is not going come close to that number.  Elias may be offering 3m with no bonus considering how he has approached signing veteran players this off season.   Also he didn't want to traded last season but he was.   Elias is probably not going to guaranteed that will not happen again.

Those are some major hurdles to overcome for Cashner to be an Oriole in 2020.  Elias recently said that pitchers that come to camp late often do not have a good start to the season.   So if Cashner is to join the O's it probably has to be soon. 

Stay tuned.

[wildbillhiccup]

31 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Cashner (33) is still a free agent.  He is comfortable with the O's team.  He likes pitching coach Doug Brocail.  Has had some of his best seasons with him.  He likes Brandon Hyde.  I am not sure how he feels about Mike Elias who traded him last July.

He would solve a lot of problems for the O's rotation giving them Means, Cashner, Cobb and Wojo as the first 4 in the rotation.  They could eat a lot of innings and his 3.83 ERA in 17 starts last year with the O's  stands out. 

So why hasn't' he been signed?   Money and trade control.    Last season Cashner made 11m.   8m in salary plus bonuses.   Elias is not going come close to that number.  Elias may be offering 3m with no bonus considering how he has approached signing veteran players this off season.   Also he didn't want to traded last season but he was.   Elias is probably not going to guaranteed that will not happen again.

Those are some major hurdles to overcome for Cashner to be an Oriole in 2020.  Elias recently said that pitchers that come to camp late often do not have a good start to the season.   So if Cashner is to join the O's it probably has to be soon. 

Stay tuned.

Is this Andrew Cashner's burner account? Why are we still beating this drum? Were the five other threads about Cashner not enough? He hasn't been signed because he's a terrible pitcher on the tail end of his career who stopped missing bats five years ago. And the underlying numbers don't support any small level of success he's had over that time frame. He's not worth $3M or anything more than a spring training invite. His only selling point is his familiarity with the club and Brocail, which means little or nothing to me. 

 

 

[Frobby]

17 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Is this Andrew Cashner's burner account? Why are we still beating this drum? Were the five other threads about Cashner not enough? He hasn't been signed because he's a terrible pitcher on the tail end of his career who stopped missing bats five years ago. And the underlying numbers don't support any small level of success he's had over that time frame. He's not worth $3M or anything more than a spring training invite. His only selling point is his familiarity with the club and Brocail, which means little or nothing to me. 

 

 

I think the odds we sign him are 50% or higher.  Elias has repeatedly said it’s pretty likely we’ll sign one more pitcher to a major league contract.    Cashner is the most likely choice of the pitchers remaining.    It won’t thrill me, but I won’t object to it, either.   

[Redskins Rick]

12 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think the odds we sign him are 50% or higher.  Elias has repeatedly said it’s pretty likely we’ll sign one more pitcher to a major league contract.    Cashner is the most likely choice of the pitchers remaining.    It won’t thrill me, but I won’t object to it, either.   

There isnt much available, worth even thinking about.

[wildbillhiccup]

8 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

There isnt much available, worth even thinking about.

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

[jerios55]

He did show up to camp, but before being signed.  So they took care of business...

[Pickles]

6 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

You know I was going to ding you for the "know he's going to awful" part.  We don't really know that.  However, you do bring up good points, and list some guys who imo clearly have more upside.  So, you kinda change my mind.

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

Because Stewart, LeBlanc, Hess are likely to give up 5 or 6 runs in the first 3 innings.  And Bailey is probably only good as an opener that averages 3 innings per start.  That kills the pen and make it hard to get through the season.   Probably rushes the O's starter prospects that need  time in the minors to give then the best chance to be successful when they do arrive.

Meanwhile Cashner can give  the O's 150 innings and  23 to 28 starts and had a 3.83 ERA with the O's last season.

However offering 3m may not be enough.  Someone else may pay more.

[mdbdotcom]

 

[Frobby]

16 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

It’s just because Cashner has signed with us before, and didn’t seem to hate being here.   So, he’s perhaps more likely to sign here this year than many of the others you mentioned.   

[interloper]

22 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

Simply not a factual statement.

[wildcard]

20 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then why even spend the money? He's an awful pitcher and you know he's going to be awful. Why not just promote someone from AAA who at least has the chance of not being awful. And I would literally rather see any other free agent than Jason Vargas in our starting rotation this season. If they're going to take a flyer on someone it should be a Tajuan Walker / Aaron Sanchez type. Both pitchers still have upside and might perform well enough to be flipped at the trade deadline. And if they're just looking for innings eaters then Trevor Cahill, Ervin Santana, Clay Buchholz, and Marco Estrada would all be better options. I just don't understand why everyone is so fixated on bringing back Cashner. Can you imagine if the Mets message board was clamoring for them to resign Jason Vargas? This is the equivalent and it makes no sense. 

 Here are their 2019 innings:

Walker   1 inning

Sanchez  131 IP,   5.89 ERA

Cahill    102IP   5.98 ERA

Santana  13 IP

Buchholz   59 IP  6.56 ERA

Estrada 23 IP    6.85 ERA

 

[sportsfan8703]

24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Because Stewart, LeBlanc, Hess are likely to give up 5 or 6 runs in the first 3 innings.  And Bailey is probably only good as an opener that averages 3 innings per start.  That kills the pen and make it hard to get through the season.   Probably rushes the O's starter prospects that need  time in the minors to give then the best chance to be successful when they do arrive.

Meanwhile Cashner can give  the O's 150 innings and  23 to 28 starts and had a 3.83 ERA with the O's last season.

However offering 3m may not be enough.  Someone else may pay more.

I don't see him putting up a 3.83 ERA again.  I'd take Cashner back, but there are several factors invovled.  Does Cashner want to sign with us, knowing that we'd trade him to the highest seller in July?  At this point, it might not be worth it to Cashner to not be in control of where he's going to play for an entire season.  He might be content with the money that he's made.  

[oriole]

I don’t see the harm in signing him. I think it’s a mistake to assume Cobb will be healthy and Le Blanc or Wojo have much to offer. Probably a mistake to assume Cashner has much left to offer either but if throw enough quantity out there then hopefully at least one sticks, right?

[wildbillhiccup]

36 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Because Stewart, LeBlanc, Hess are likely to give up 5 or 6 runs in the first 3 innings.  And Bailey is probably only good as an opener that averages 3 innings per start.  That kills the pen and make it hard to get through the season.   Probably rushes the O's starter prospects that need  time in the minors to give then the best chance to be successful when they do arrive.

Meanwhile Cashner can give  the O's 150 innings and  23 to 28 starts and had a 3.83 ERA with the O's last season.

However offering 3m may not be enough.  Someone else may pay more.

Andrew Cashner's xFIP last season was 5.11. In 2018 it was 5.19. In 2017 it was 5.30. If you're going to endorse a GM who fully supports advanced metrics you can't ignore then when you're advocating signing someone like Cashner. And with an average K per 9 rate of 5.65 over the last three seasons he has zero margin for error. Unless you're name is Greg Maddux or Orel Hershiser you can't succeed in the modern era with that type of strikeout rate.