If only Elias hadn't traded the 11th best player in baseball (Bundy) for next to nothing

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, billw76 said:

I think some are valuing Bundy based off of this season, and not the Bundy of the past few years. He never lived up to his potential here, and I honestly don't think Elias or many other GMs could have gotten more for him. 

I don't think I am.  I think a league average pitcher making reasonable money with two years of team control is worth more to a pitching hungry team than the O's received.

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Really don’t care about ARB! As I mentioned, saved money doesn’t matter unless it spent elsewhere.

The money does not have to be spent today. Every dollar saved now gives us more flexibility to sign a Correa or Lindor in 2022. Or extend Mountcastle or Santander or Rutschman. Maybe that is wishful thinking but $3M is not nothing and the dollars do add up. If you can replace Castro with a guy making $500K you do it. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

The money does not have to be spent today. Every dollar saved now gives us more flexibility to sign a Correa or Lindor in 2022. Or extend Mountcastle or Santander or Rutschman. Maybe that is wishful thinking but $3M is not nothing and the dollars do add up. If you can replace Castro with a guy making $500K you do it. 

Or it doesn't.  We don't know.

[Aristotelian]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Or it doesn't.  We don't know.

Actually we do. It is simple math. If the team saves 2.5m, they have 2.5m more. Doesn't mean they will but they have the flexibility to do so.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Actually we do. It is simple math. If the team saves 2.5m, they have 2.5m more. Doesn't mean they will but they have the flexibility to do so.

We do not know if those funds will be made available in the future.

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Not every trade ....Givens is the only deal that Elias has made that I like. With the payroll so low I’m sure you’ll admit that they don’t need to slash payroll?

I wish they'd open the books so we know.  We do have a good inkling that in a non-COVID year their revenues are less than 40% of the Yankees'.  Behind by $400M.  So if the Angelos boys told me that I have $125M or $150M to do whatever with, from staff to players to drafting to building academies in Uruguay, I know I'd slash payroll down to nothing until I was good and ready to spend on this year's wins.  There are a heck of a lot of things I could do with $10M or $20M that make more long term impact than two or three extra wins in 2020 or 2021.

[DrungoHazewood]

56 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

We do not know if those funds will be made available in the future.

We don't know anything for sure.  But we do know with some certainty that a few million spent on the Orioles' payroll this year does almost nothing to help the next good Orioles team and it might do some long term good spent elsewhere.

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think I am.  I think a league average pitcher making reasonable money with two years of team control is worth more to a pitching hungry team than the O's received.

There's a line of 4.50 ERA relievers that stretches around the block.  Relievers that strike out nine men a game are the new AAA first basemen.  Turn over a log and you'll find six.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

There's a line of 4.50 ERA relievers that stretches around the block.  Relievers that strike out nine men a game are the new AAA first basemen.  Turn over a log and you'll find six.

I was talking about Bundy.

[billw76]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think I am.  I think a league average pitcher making reasonable money with two years of team control is worth more to a pitching hungry team than the O's received.

I definitely don't disagree that to the Angels of all teams he should have been worth more. If Bundys numbers come back to career normals before the season is out I wonder how many will still feel the same about what we received.

[billw76]

9 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

There's a line of 4.50 ERA relievers that stretches around the block.  Relievers that strike out nine men a game are the new AAA first basemen.  Turn over a log and you'll find six.

That line of 4.50 ERA is probably the same for starting pitchers as well. Teams aren't gonna give up a top prospect for a league average SP these days.

[Can_of_corn]

16 minutes ago, billw76 said:

That line of 4.50 ERA is probably the same for starting pitchers as well. Teams aren't gonna give up a top prospect for a league average SP these days.

I think there is space between top prospect and what the O's got.

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think there is space between top prospect and what the O's got.

Ask me in four years how we did in that trade.    

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

The money does not have to be spent today. Every dollar saved now gives us more flexibility to sign a Correa or Lindor in 2022. Or extend Mountcastle or Santander or Rutschman. Maybe that is wishful thinking but $3M is not nothing and the dollars do add up. If you can replace Castro with a guy making $500K you do it. 

Doesnt work that way Sir!

[LTO's]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think there is space between top prospect and what the O's got.

Like what they got for Miguel Castro perhaps?