Connelly: This time it really feels like the end for Chris Davis as an Oriole

[Camden_yardbird]

On 9/15/2020 at 11:09 AM, Philip said:

It just seems like Davis himself doesn’t care. I don’t think he’s cared for the last several years, and he certainly gave indications he was phoning it in, but now, it’s as if no one is pretending anymore. He’s gone for now, and soon he will be gone for good.

Speaking of Rule 5, I sincerely hope that none of our PTBNL guys is eligible. That would be a pain.
Also, I wonder if this will be the first year in eons that we don’t make a rule 5 choice ourselves?

There's no evidence and I hope we can be higher here than denigrating a player who brought a lot of fun to the orioles for many years because he didn't perform up to his contract.  Dont try and make it okay because you think he wasn't trying. He obviously cared, he obviously worked hard.

Let's not go to the he stopped caring, or thank God he's gone comments.  Its not a good look.

 

[HowAboutThat]

5 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

There's no evidence and I hope we can be higher here than denigrating a player who brought a lot of fun to the orioles for many years because he didn't perform up to his contract.  Dont try and make it okay because you think he wasn't trying. He obviously cared, he obviously worked hard.

Let's not go to the he stopped caring, or thank God he's gone comments.  Its not a good look.

 

So? He earned the accolades, and he has earned the accusation of apathy. If you honestly think he cared this whole time I respectfully suggest that Actions speak louder than words.

I am not being unfair, or hurtful or insulting. He earned both sides of the coin.

[GuidoSarducci]

7 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

That puts a damper on the rest of the season for me. 

But seriously, I wonder what our record was with Davis and without.  It seems like it was ironically better with him in the lineup

Edit: Ok, we were 7-9 with Davis, and'we're current 22-31, so that means without Davis we were 15-22.

Record with Davis:  .438 (7/16)

Record without Davis:  .405  (15/37)

 

Edit2:  Even better, in 2 of the games Davis had one PA or less, which were both losses.  So really in games where he got at least 3 PAs, we were .500.

 

Edited September 20, 2020 by GuidoSarducci

[Camden_yardbird]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:13 PM, Philip said:

So? He earned the accolades, and he has earned the accusation of apathy. If you honestly think he cared this whole time I respectfully suggest that Actions speak louder than words.

I am not being unfair, or hurtful or insulting. He earned both sides of the coin.

You are equating performance with actions until you can prove otherwise.

[HowAboutThat]

56 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

You are equating performance with actions until you can prove otherwise.

I am saying that he is terrible because he has become apathetic. And yes I do believe that, because he appeared to show no effort at all. Remember the famous photo where he’s lazily swinging at the pitch and his eyes are focused somewhere else entirely?

and that happened often enough that it’s not unreasonable to think he’s been phoning it in for three years.

I may be wrong but observable evidence tilts in one direction. And either way, he doesn’t care, and neither do I. Effort or not, he’s one of history’s worst over the last three years and I’m happy he’s leaving.

[Frobby]

12 minutes ago, Philip said:

I am saying that he is terrible because he has become apathetic. And yes I do believe that, because he appeared to show no effort at all. Remember the famous photo where he’s lazily swinging at the pitch and his eyes are focused somewhere else entirely?

and that happened often enough that it’s not unreasonable to think he’s been phoning it in for three years.

I may be wrong but observable evidence tilts in one direction. And either way, he doesn’t care, and neither do I. Effort or not, he’s one of history’s worst over the last three years and I’m happy he’s leaving.

I am not going to revisit everything Davis has ever said or done, but in my opinion 90%+ of Davis’ problem is just a flat out loss of skill as he aged.    Could be that a lack of hard work or stubbornness about trying new approaches may have exacerbated that problem, but to me the guy had a thin margin of error to begin with (poor contact skills even during his prime years) and when he lost a bit of bat speed and/or reaction time it caused him to fall off a cliff.   

[HowAboutThat]

16 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I am not going to revisit everything Davis has ever said or done, but in my opinion 90%+ of Davis’ problem is just a flat out loss of skill as he aged.    Could be that a lack of hard work or stubbornness about trying new approaches may have exacerbated that problem, but to me the guy had a thin margin of error to begin with (poor contact skills even during his prime years) and when he lost a bit of bat speed and/or reaction time it caused him to fall off a cliff.   

Either way, it’s moot. If he returns next year, I will wager my immortal soul that he will prepare the same as he has( or hasn’t) he will repeat the same platitudes, and he will be the same awful he’s been for 3+ years, and we will revisit all these complaints.

If he does, or doesn’t return, doesn’t matter.

[Camden_yardbird]

Okay @Philip good know that you aren't basing it on evidence, can't provide a link to an article or anything other than what your own eyes tell you.  You are a mad at a player for not performing and equating it to laziness.  Let me help you.

Here:

Davis works hard on hitting with Craig Gentry.

Davis want to be a veteran leader.

Davis puts on 25 pounds of muscle.

Davis formulates an offseason plan with the general manager.

This is what evidence looks like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jeffseidel/2020/02/29/chris-davis-of-the-orioles-has-started-well-in-spring-training/amp/

https://www.baltimorebaseball.com/2020/02/17/chris-davis-considered-retiring-back-2020-orioles/

[Can_of_corn]

On the other hand we also have the time he, let's say, exaggerated, how much time he spent with the hitting coach in the offseason.

[Frobby]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

On the other hand we also have the time he, let's say, exaggerated, how much time he spent with the hitting coach in the offseason.

Yep.   We will never really know exactly how much work Davis put in compared to what other players do.    So, I choose not to speculate about it.   It’s well past the point where we can hope for some Hail Mary offseason turnaround, the guy is far below a replacement level player, and now we have a lot of guys who need to be in the majors taking the at bats that Davis might take.    The only justification for keeping him is the possibility that a full season won’t be played and we won’t have to pay him the full amount he’s owed.    That’s a complex decision that I can’t comment on very intelligently.    

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The only justification for keeping him is the possibility that a full season won’t be played and we won’t have to pay him the full amount he’s owed.     

Who's this "we," homie?  

I agree, it's wise not to speculate on what he's done or not done in the offseasons.  But even there isn't a full season next year and they don't have to pay him the full amount, it's still extremely hard to justify him being on the roster.  I'm sure it's hard to put an actual dollar value on at bats and playing time for younger players that need it to develop, but that's essentially what they'd be doing if they kept Davis on the roster for any reason for any length of time.

Except it doesn't have to be that way.  They're spending the money no matter what (I'm assuming they'll have a full season with no fans or limited fans next year) so it's high time that they cut him and let more deserving players have a spot, 162 games or not.

[weams]

 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

 

Sounds like we should expect him next spring.

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sounds like we should expect him next spring.

Yup.   Not too surprised.    But I do think we may see him cut before the OD roster is set, if it appears the team will play 162 games.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Yup.   Not too surprised.    But I do think we may see him cut before the OD roster is set, if it appears the team will play 162 games.

It's going to be fun raising a fuss if the O's lose someone in the Rule V draft because Davis is on the 40 man.