Orioles Lose Zach Pop and Grey Fenter in Rule Five

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Exactly my thoughts. We’ll see, I guess. He may be the once in a generation type, or they may set him back. He’s a heck of a talent though, for sure. 

Maybe having a father who was in the majors at a young age means something in terms of his mindset.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Exactly my thoughts. We’ll see, I guess. He may be the once in a generation type, or they may set him back. He’s a heck of a talent though, for sure. 

Been a lot of once in a generation types coming up the last few years.

 

[Beef Supreme]

14 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

 

That's a major league pitching mix.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

Maybe having a father who was in the majors at a young age means something in terms of his mindset.

Maybe 20-21 isn't too young?

He turns 21 in June.

Tatis, Machado, Harper, Acuna, Soto.

We've seen this before.

Recently.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Beef Supreme said:

That's a major league pitching mix.

Not good enough for us!

[Frobby]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Been a lot of once in a generation types coming up the last few years.

 

1.  Trout.

2.   Everybody else.   

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

1.  Trout.

2.   Everybody else.   

Yep.

I don't like how they use generation talent so readily.  I blame Boras.

You will notice I left Trout off my little list.

[Jammer7]

35 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because, generally speaking, the faster a player reaches the majors the better their career.

He turns 21 in June.  Lots of highly touted guys are in the majors at 20-21.

 

Sure, but they generally don’t skip A/AA/AAA altogether and succeed. Griffey, Arod, Tatis, Machado, Trout, etc...all played some minor league ball for 1-2 years. I have no knowledge of where Witt is in his preparedness, but wow. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Sure, but they generally don’t skip A/AA/AAA altogether and succeed. Griffey, Arod, Tatis, Machado, Trout, etc...all played some minor league ball for 1-2 years. I have no knowledge of where Witt is in his preparedness, but wow. 

Obviously I think the minor league experience is overrated, at least when it comes to a certain caliber of player.

I expect him to struggle if he is brought up early this year, but I think it will lead to a better career overall.

 

 

Unless of course the hit tool is borked in which case time in the minors won't fix it.

[Jammer7]

17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Obviously I think the minor league experience is overrated, at least when it comes to a certain caliber of player.

I expect him to struggle if he is brought up early this year, but I think it will lead to a better career overall.

 

 

Unless of course the hit tool is borked in which case time in the minors won't fix it.

I agree with some of that, but the confidence of a high end kid can be shattered with prolonged utter failure. Like I said, I have not watched him and have no idea of his preparedness for this kind of jump. Perhaps he is just plain ready. But has ever really failed? And what happens when he does? IDK. It will be interesting to watch. I hope he does well, but I am skeptical.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

I agree with some of that, but the confidence of a high end kid can be shattered with prolonged utter failure. Like I said, I have not watched him and have no idea of his preparedness for this kind of jump. Perhaps he is just plain ready. But has ever really failed? And what happens when he does? IDK. It will be interesting to watch. I hope he does well, but I am skeptical.

If you think a kid can't handle pressure don't pick him 1-2.

[Jammer7]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If you think a kid can't handle pressure don't pick him 1-2.

That’s easy to say. I am sure his dad has given him every advantage of having a major league dad, and I doubt he has any issues with pressure. But high end kids like that have not failed much. So you just don’t know until they struggle for a few months.
 

“You don’t know until you know.” (probably Yogi Berra)

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Jammer7 said:

That’s easy to say. I am sure his dad has given him every advantage of having a major league dad, and I doubt he has any issues with pressure. But high end kids like that have not failed much. So you just don’t know until they struggle for a few months.
 

“You don’t know until you know.” (probably Yogi Berra)

Does what you are suggesting happen in baseball?  I can't think of an example but maybe I'm just tired.

[Sports Guy]

Yea, the shattering his confidence thing is where I jump off the train.  I think that’s total bs.

If his confidence is that easily shattered, why should I think 500-800 MiL at bats is going to change his mental acuity and allow him to succeed long term?

[LookinUp]

Aside from the sham that is service time and compensation for young players, I think it would be kind of insane to promote Witt now for a simple reason: I'd want him around for as much of a competitive window as I could get. 

SG mentioned this earlier in the thread, but the benefit of not putting our best young players on our bad team is they at least have a shot to still be around on our good teams. It's a cynical game to play, but as a GM it's almost a responsibility to do this for your organization. Hopefully when the flood gates open, there will be a legit flood of good young players coming up together.