Fangraphs positional power rankings

[Can_of_corn]

How can a player not be adequate when the goal of the season is to finish with the worst record in the league?

I know that aren't too good for the team so what's the problem other than your aesthetic preferences?

 

 

[NCRaven]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How can a player not be adequate when the goal of the season is to finish with the worst record in the league?

I know that aren't too good for the team so what's the problem other than your aesthetic preferences?

 

 

If the goal was to come in last, I doubt that they even bother signing Galvis and Franco or adding Harvey to the 40 man.  They're all upgrades over Martin, Ruiz and weaker starting pitching candidates.  They won't turn us into winners, but I can see us not picking any higher next year than we pick this year.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

If the goal was to come in last, I doubt that they even bother signing Galvis and Franco or adding Harvey to the 40 man.  They're all upgrades over Martin, Ruiz and weaker starting pitching candidates.  They won't turn us into winners, but I can see us not picking any higher next year than we pick this year.

Goal certainly isn't to win games now is it?

Why set the goal of finishing with the fifth worst record?

You just have to put in enough effort to keep the union and national media off your back.

 

[NCRaven]

No, the goal isn't to win if you mean compete for a title in 2021.  But Elias may feel that there is value in making small improvements now that some of the young talent is near ready for promotion.  Diaz, Lowther, Baumann, Wells, and Rutschman could all see ML playing time this year.  Mountcastle, Kremer, and Akin have already debuted.  And, we're not restricted to only drafting now that we're swimming in the international pool.  Our ability to add young talent isn't limited to the domestic draft.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, NCRaven said:

No, the goal isn't to win if you mean compete for a title in 2021.  But Elias may feel that there is value in making small improvements now that some of the young talent is near ready for promotion.  Diaz, Lowther, Baumann, Wells, and Rutschman could all see ML playing time this year.  Mountcastle, Kremer, and Akin have already debuted.  And, we're not restricted to only drafting now that we're swimming in the international pool.  Our ability to add young talent isn't limited to the domestic draft.

He may, but he has an odd way of showing it if he does.

He's going to keep Adley down long enough that he stays on the precious prospect lists for next season.  None of the others are projected to be major pieces in the future.

[NCRaven]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He may, but he has an odd way of showing it if he does.

He's going to keep Adley down long enough that he stays on the precious prospect lists for next season.  None of the others are projected to be major pieces in the future.

I hope you, and admittedly others, are wrong on Rutschman.  I hope to see him later this summer.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

I hope you, and admittedly others, are wrong on Rutschman.  I hope to see him later this summer.

I think Elias is very concerned with how his team does in the prospect lists.  I think it is telling how Hays and Mountcastle both fell just short of losing rookie eligibility.

He has nothing to gain by promoting Adley earlier rather than later.

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He may, but he has an odd way of showing it if he does.

He's going to keep Adley down long enough that he stays on the precious prospect lists for next season.  None of the others are projected to be major pieces in the future.

I do not believe Elias makes decisions on call-ups based on whether the player will retain rookie status (and therefore stay on the prospects list).    As to what happens with Rutschman, we’ll see.  Hopefully he’ll play well and we can argue about when he should get the call.    

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

I do not believe Elias makes decisions on call-ups based on whether the player will retain rookie status (and therefore stay on the prospects list).    As to what happens with Rutschman, we’ll see.  Hopefully he’ll play well and we can argue about when he should get the call.    

Yea, I'm sure Hays falling one game short was a total coincidence.  Same with Mountcastle's strangely late promotion.

So far the data points are falling in one direction.

Do you think that

1- Adley will get called up at some point this season?

2- Adley will still have his rookie eligibility in 2022?

[Frobby]

34 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yea, I'm sure Hays falling one game short was a total coincidence.  Same with Mountcastle's strangely late promotion.

So far the data points are falling in one direction.

Do you think that

1- Adley will get called up at some point this season?

2- Adley will still have his rookie eligibility in 2022?

I don’t know if Adley will get called up this year because (1) I don’t know how well he’ll play, and (2) I can’t predict what happens with our other catchers.    

In my ideal world, he kills AA (and maybe spends a few weeks in AAA) and he gets called up in June or July.   Would Elias do that if Rutschman’s play warranted it?    I have no idea.    I hope to find out.   
 

[Philip]

1 hour ago, NCRaven said:

No, the goal isn't to win if you mean compete for a title in 2021.  But Elias may feel that there is value in making small improvements now that some of the young talent is near ready for promotion.  Diaz, Lowther, Baumann, Wells, and Rutschman could all see ML playing time this year.  Mountcastle, Kremer, and Akin have already debuted.  And, we're not restricted to only drafting now that we're swimming in the international pool.  Our ability to add young talent isn't limited to the domestic draft.

Yes, I think that a lot of pitching that is potentially a part of the future will see the mound of the season, and that makes it all the more important to have the best possible defender catching.

Sacrificing so much defense for questionable offense is unwise, I think, so I would rather have solid gloves, and to hell with the bat.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

I don’t know if Adley will get called up this year because (1) I don’t know how well he’ll play, and (2) I can’t predict what happens with our other catchers.    

In my ideal world, he kills AA (and maybe spends a few weeks in AAA) and he gets called up in June or July.   Would Elias do that if Rutschman’s play warranted it?    I have no idea.    I hope to find out.   
 

I didn't ask what you knew I asked what you thought.

I think he'll get called up but maintain his rookie eligibility.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I didn't ask what you knew I asked what you thought.

I think he'll get called up but maintain his rookie eligibility.

Obviously I don’t know, but I also don’t have an opinion, for the reasons I said.    

[SteveA]

19 hours ago, Frobby said:

The ratio is $8 mm per WAR on average.  So at that price, they’re bargains.   But in reality, they’re reasonably priced placeholders until a minor leaguer is ready or we’re in a competitive position where spending real money on an upgrade makes sense.  

Isn't that the ratio specifically on the free agent market, which is the most expensive way to acquire talent?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, SteveA said:

Isn't that the ratio specifically on the free agent market, which is the most expensive way to acquire talent?

Yes.