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[waroriole]

4 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We’ve done nothing but lose, and resemble an expansion team at the MLB level. So I think in year 3, it’s fair to question Elias just a bit. Especially when Elias has gone against the consensus picks in 2/3 drafts and doesn’t draft pitching at all. Fair to criticize. 

I agree with the questioning of Elias, especially in putting together an actual ML team and the drafting of pitching. I would say a lot of teams go against the consensus of publications like BA, so I’m not even going to consider that. 

[sportsfan8703]

6 minutes ago, waroriole said:

I agree with the questioning of Elias, especially in putting together an actual ML team and the drafting of pitching. I would say a lot of teams go against the consensus of publications like BA, so I’m not even going to consider that. 

He also took two OFs over SS/NCAA LHSP. 
 

He’s gone out on a limb big time. So far he’s only successfully show that he knows how to dump salary and get top draft picks. 

[wildcard]

22 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It’s not defeatist over one top 100 list. Publications and pre draft lists aren’t always right. See GrayRod vs Liberatore. However, that was a DD regime pick. 

All I’m pointing out is,

2021: Cowser + Creed Willems over Lawler or Watson

2020: Kjerstad + Mayo + Baumler over Martin or Lacy

We’ve done nothing but lose, and resemble an expansion team at the MLB level. So I think in year 3, it’s fair to question Elias just a bit. Especially when Elias has gone against the consensus picks in 2/3 drafts and doesn’t draft pitching at all. Fair to criticize. 

I think Rhodes also received over slot money.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

6 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

He also took two OFs over SS/NCAA LHSP. 
 

He’s gone out on a limb big time. So far he’s only successfully show that he knows how to dump salary and get top draft picks. 

Is Elias' plan eventually to trade surplus outfield talent for pitching arms? There is a lot more focus on Grayson Rodriguez and DL Hall to be good because if they're not it could be awhile waiting on other pitching prospects. 

[waroriole]

6 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

He also took two OFs over SS/NCAA LHSP. 
 

He’s gone out on a limb big time. So far he’s only successfully show that he knows how to dump salary and get top draft picks. 

I just don’t see the appeal of Austin Martin. Apparently the team that drafted him doesn’t either. Calling him a SS is way overselling him. Is he even a 2B?

I was hoping for Lawlar when he fell, but I’ll give Elias the benefit of the doubt with the drafts for now. They clearly have a game plan in this area and we have to trust him to carry it out

[Can_of_corn]

30 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think Rhodes also received over slot money.

Cowser wasn't the only player to sign for less than slot.

[Just Regular]

I noticed down around 80 Hall, Henderson and Cowser were all clumped give or take a few spots.

With the flattening of the curve after the first handful of really special talents, that's basically saying they are even from here.   It'll be interesting to see how that trio shakes out by the end of the year - whether Hall ends up circa 3rd or circa 5th on offseason lists really doesn't have anything to do with him these next 2 months.

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

I noticed down around 80 Hall, Henderson and Cowser were all clumped give or take a few spots.

With the flattening of the curve after the first handful of really special talents, that's basically saying they are even from here.   It'll be interesting to see how that trio shakes out by the end of the year - whether Hall ends up circa 3rd or circa 5th on offseason lists really doesn't have anything to do with him these next 2 months.

If you look at the list it seems a lot of players by the same team are clumped together.

[ChuckS]

1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Is Elias' plan eventually to trade surplus outfield talent for pitching arms? There is a lot more focus on Grayson Rodriguez and DL Hall to be good because if they're not it could be awhile waiting on other pitching prospects. 

Prospect for prospect trades rarely happen but I think Elias will be quick to trade established big leaguers (Mullins, Santander, etc.) for pitching prospects once their value peaks if there are younger cheaper options on the way in (Stowers, Cowser, and others). 

I don't see any other way of doing it since we aren't drafting pitchers and all of our pitching prospects currently in the upper levels have command issues minus Grayson Rodriguez or fringy stuff (see Wells, Lowther, Rom). 

[7Mo]

3 hours ago, survivedc said:

I don’t remember anyone pining for Detmers but I could be wrong. 7 teams passed on him after the O’s.

Detmers added 5-6 mph on his fastball last year. He's much improved from draft time.

[MurphDogg]

56 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

I noticed down around 80 Hall, Henderson and Cowser were all clumped give or take a few spots.

With the flattening of the curve after the first handful of really special talents, that's basically saying they are even from here.   It'll be interesting to see how that trio shakes out by the end of the year - whether Hall ends up circa 3rd or circa 5th on offseason lists really doesn't have anything to do with him these next 2 months.

Hall is injured right now, and he walks too many guys, but he has had success at a higher level, he is the clear #3 for me.

[NCRaven]

1 hour ago, ChuckS said:

Prospect for prospect trades rarely happen...

True, but we could still trade from a surplus of good young outfielders for established ML pitching.  Like Houston trading for Verlander.

[Can_of_corn]

16 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

True, but we could still trade from a surplus of good young outfielders for established ML pitching.  Like Houston trading for Verlander.

The headliner in the Verlander trade was a pitching prospect and another was a catcher.

I don't think that it is easy to pull off a Verlander style trade.  I also question if ownership would be willing to take that type of contract onboard.

[LookinUp]

3 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It’s not defeatist over one top 100 list. Publications and pre draft lists aren’t always right. See GrayRod vs Liberatore. However, that was a DD regime pick. 

All I’m pointing out is,

2021: Cowser + Creed Willems over Lawler or Watson

2020: Kjerstad + Mayo + Baumler over Martin or Lacy

We’ve done nothing but lose, and resemble an expansion team at the MLB level. So I think in year 3, it’s fair to question Elias just a bit. Especially when Elias has gone against the consensus picks in 2/3 drafts and doesn’t draft pitching at all. Fair to criticize. 

2021: You're going by pre-draft rankings. First look at Cowser makes us feel good, but it's way too soon to know.

2020: You're judging by a freak ailment that happened after the draft. Could have happened to anyone. What if we drafted Martin and he produced like he is or Lacy and he got the myocarditis? If anything, that justifies taking Kjerstad and seeing what we have with Mayo (very nice so far) and Baumler.

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, ChuckS said:

Prospect for prospect trades rarely happen but I think Elias will be quick to trade established big leaguers (Mullins, Santander, etc.) for pitching prospects once their value peaks if there are younger cheaper options on the way in (Stowers, Cowser, and others). 

I don't see any other way of doing it since we aren't drafting pitchers and all of our pitching prospects currently in the upper levels have command issues minus Grayson Rodriguez or fringy stuff (see Wells, Lowther, Rom). 

I wonder if Mike’s logic goes like this:

The success rate of Pitching is so low, It is better to let other teams take the risk, and suffer the failures, and trade for their almost-successes. Drafting Lacy means you get Lacy’s current problems, But if Lacy does well, you can trade for him, Provided you’re prepared to pay a lot.

I’m not sure that’s really a good strategy, but it would certainly seem to fit with what Mike is actually doing.