2021 Orioles #5 Prospect - DL Hall -LHP

[interloper]

I'm perfectly content to pretend Hall does not exist until there comes a day that he does.

He doesn't factor into the rebuild for me because again, he doesn't exist right now.

[Frobby]

On 10/29/2021 at 11:48 AM, Philip said:

I am interested in what is the minimum acceptable walk rate for a starter.

There were 129 pitchers who threw 100+ innings this year.  Only 13 of them had a BB/9 above 4.0.  Now, some of them got away with it.    Lance McCullers had a 4.2 BB/9 but only a 3.16 ERA.   But overall, once your BB/9 is over 4.0, you’re in the danger zone as a starting pitcher.   Relievers are a different animal.   I see 138 relievers over 50 IP and 49 of them had a BB/9 over 4.0.   

I think Hall’s stuff is good enough where he might be able to succeed as a starter even with a BB/ in the 4.0 - 4.5 range, but if he wants to be consistently successful, it’ll have to be below that.   
 

[Frobby]

4 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I just don't think we can ever expect to dominate the division for extended periods. We have three major market teams we are competing against plus Tampa, another well run organization. The law of averages says we might compete from time but it's hard to roll a five sided die and come up number one every time. Not only do we have to do everything right but you have to have multiple teams underperform for an extended period.

I don’t expect to dominate the AL East.   I’d like to be able to have a Tampa-ish level of success and have a legit shot at the World Series some years.   

[Aristotelian]

28 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t expect to dominate the AL East.   I’d like to be able to have a Tampa-ish level of success and have a legit shot at the World Series some years.   

How is that different than Toronto-ish level? Whatever Toronto-ish level is, that would be a massive improvement over Baltimore 98-2011.

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

There were 129 pitchers who threw 100+ innings this year.  Only 13 of them had a BB/9 above 4.0.  Now, some of them got away with it.    Lance McCullers had a 4.2 BB/9 but only a 3.16 ERA.   But overall, once your BB/9 is over 4.0, you’re in the danger zone as a starting pitcher.   Relievers are a different animal.   I see 138 relievers over 50 IP and 49 of them had a BB/9 over 4.0.   

I think Hall’s stuff is good enough where he might be able to succeed as a starter even with a BB/ in the 4.0 - 4.5 range, but if he wants to be consistently successful, it’ll have to be below that.   
 

Did you find that at baseball reference? I was trying to find it on fangraphs And was unable to find that information

[Frobby]

3 hours ago, Philip said:

Did you find that at baseball reference? I was trying to find it on fangraphs And was unable to find that information

I got this on Fangraphs.   You can select a minimum number of innings and then sort by BB/9.    You can also choose starters vs. relievers (though some pitchers do a bit of both).   

[Moose Milligan]

10 hours ago, interloper said:

I'm perfectly content to pretend Hall does not exist until there comes a day that he does.

He doesn't factor into the rebuild for me because again, he doesn't exist right now.

Great way to assess him.  I feel the same way, too.  

[ShoelesJoe]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Great way to assess him.  I feel the same way, too.  

This. I’d also put Kjerstad in that category. Both are to be considered non-factors going forward, but if they turn into productive major leaguers that would be gravy. 

[wildcard]

Is it weird that we are not hearing more about DL Hall in the instructs?

[Can_of_corn]

41 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Is it weird that we are not hearing more about DL Hall in the instructs?

I only expect to hear the most glowing positive reports on anyone, and those infrequently.

[Tony-OH]

19 hours ago, wildcard said:

Is it weird that we are not hearing more about DL Hall in the instructs?

From what I heard the pitchers are not pitching to batters this year. So there's probably not a lot to report. 

[Sports Guy]

Good news 

 

[LookinUp]

I was kind of hoping he was already throwing off a mound again. 

[jabba72]

2 hours ago, LookinUp said:

I was kind of hoping he was already throwing off a mound again. 

Im fine with him waiting until March to do that. More rest for his elbow the better as far as im concerned. 

[Jagwar]

4 hours ago, LookinUp said:

I was kind of hoping he was already throwing off a mound again. 

It's Florida. He very well could be standing on a fire ant anthill