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Odor is this years Yolmer Sanchez.  A guy that is brought to ST to see if he can make the team.  Odor is a 2B.  Probably will not make the team at 3B.   Urias is a better fit for the O's at 2B.

As far as has the team progressed over 2021 at 2B.  Yes I think Urias is better than Ruiz and Valaika.  Urias is also currently the back up SS.

Odor's chance to make the team is that he balances the lineup as a left handed hitter joining Mullins, Santander and Adley.   But his low average probably  makes him unlikely to be a starter and he probably will ask for his release if he is not a starter.

I see Odor as a depth signing in case Mateo's back has not recovered and Urias has to switch to SS or if Urias core injury re-occurs.

I am not concerned about Odor taking a 40 man roster spot when the O's still have Bannon, Krehbiel and Mattson on the roster.

Elias is far from done this off season.

 

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3 hours ago, wildcard said:

Odor is this years Yolmer Sanchez.  A guy that is brought to ST to see if he can make the team.  Odor is a 2B.  Probably will not make the team at 3B.   Urias is a better fit for the O's at 2B.

As far as has the team progressed over 2021 at 2B.  Yes I think Urias is better than Ruiz and Valaika.  Urias is also currently the back up SS.

Odor's chance to make the team is that he balances the lineup as a left handed hitter joining Mullins, Santander and Adley.   But his low average probably  makes him unlikely to be a starter and he probably will ask for his release if he is not a starter.

I see Odor as a depth signing in case Mateo's back has not recovered and Urias has to switch to SS or if Urias core injury re-occurs.

I am not concerned about Odor taking a 40 man roster spot when the O's still have Bannon, Krehbiel and Mattson on the roster.

Elias is far from done this off season.

 

Odor bats left handed.  He can play second or third and spell some of these guys from time to time.  
 

He’s on the team.  You know what he is.  Sanchez didn’t make the team because his defense slipped enough that he was no longer useful.  
 

Odor is what he is..Average-ish fielder with good power.  He’s left handed on a team full of RH IFers. He won’t get on base and he will struggle to hit 210 but the team knows that already.  They don’t care.  He represents a cheap option to get 250-400 at bats.  They aren’t going to do more.  They just don’t care.  This just gives them someone else to plug in who makes no money while they wait and see what IFers develop.  
 

The Orioles will run with an IF of RM, Urias, Mateo and Gutierrez with Odor being the back up at second and 3rd.  Mateo could be pushed to more of a super UTI role if they decide to bring in some nobody, replacement level SS but this is what the team is going to be. They just don’t care.

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I don’t agree with those saying Odor makes the team worse.   The problem is, he doesn’t make it better.  I was really hoping for some modest upgrades for the infield and pitching staff.   Odor’s not an upgrade, he’s a placeholder.   

I do agree with wildcard.   The offseason isn’t over, and there’s still time to upgrade the team.   I can’t say I’m optimistic, but I’m still holding out hope.   

Here’s my question: what the hell happened to Odor?   Three years into his career he was a .766 OPS, 5.3 rWAR player, only 22 years old.   Texas saw a future star and signed him to a long term deal.   We were considering him a good comp for Jonathan Schoop.   Since then, he’s hit .692 OPS and has been worth 1.5 rWAR in five seasons.   Did he just get lazy after signing the big deal?    Did pitchers find some gaping hole in his swing they’d missed before?   Did he try to change his swing or approach and mess himself up?    

Of course I’ll go into next season hoping Odor can recover his age 20-22 form somehow, but there’s no real reason to expect he will.   I’m not a fan of this move.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t agree with those saying Odor makes the team worse.   The problem is, he doesn’t make it better.  I was really hoping for some modest upgrades for the infield and pitching staff.   Odor’s not an upgrade, he’s a placeholder.   

I do agree with wildcard.   The offseason isn’t over, and there’s still time to upgrade the team.   I can’t say I’m optimistic, but I’m still holding out hope.   

Here’s my question: what the hell happened to Odor?   Three years into his career he was a .766 OPS, 5.3 rWAR player, only 22 years old.   Texas saw a future star and signed him to a long term deal.   We were considering him a good comp for Jonathan Schoop.   Since then, he’s hit .692 OPS and has been worth 1.5 rWAR in five seasons.   Did he just get lazy after signing the big deal?    Did pitchers find some gaping hole in his swing they’d missed before?   Did he try to change his swing or approach and mess himself up?    

Of course I’ll go into next season hoping Odor can recover his age 20-22 form somehow, but there’s no real reason to expect he will.   I’m not a fan of this move.  

He makes it worse if they somehow make him a starter over what we currently have, especially if it’s Urias.

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He makes it worse if they somehow make him a starter over what we currently have, especially if it’s Urias.

Yeah, I don’t want to see him taking at bats from Urias.   But I don’t think he goes into ST with a guaranteed spot in the lineup, and I doubt he will cost Urias at bats.   He may push Urias to SS if he plays a lot.   That’s not ideal.  

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The way MLBTR reports this signing tells you everything.

"Texas Signs Seager."

"White Sox sign Garcia."

"Red Sox sign Paxton." 

"Orioles sign Odor to major league deal."

Like, "get a load of these guys, signing him to a major league deal." There is an implication that its surprising he was given a major league deal because no team in their right mind would do this.

And by the way for all those "why aren't we following the Rays model" fans out there, the rays deal listed in the above is the red sox signing Paxton for 1/10 and getting a cheap club option is he performs coming off injury. Makes sense, Bloom is from TB.

Its just a rude signing for the fans of the Orioles.  I'm wondering if others are starting to see the shine come off Elias as well.  I have been saying it for 1.5 years, we know he can build a farm system, but a real GM needs to do so much more and to date I haven't seen it.  This doesn't make me feel he has more skills.

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1 minute ago, Camden_yardbird said:

The way MLBTR reports this signing tells you everything.

"Texas Signs Seager."

"White Sox sign Garcia."

"Red Sox sign Paxton." 

"Orioles sign Odor to major league deal."

Like, "get a load of these guys, signing him to a major league deal." There is an implication that its surprising he was given a major league deal because no team in their right mind would do this.

And by the way for all those "why aren't we following the Rays model" fans out there, the rays deal listed in the above is the red sox signing Paxton for 1/10 and getting a cheap club option is he performs coming off injury. Makes sense, Bloom is from TB.

Same thought process of the actual Rays signing Kluber.

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8 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

 

Its just a rude signing for the fans of the Orioles.  I'm wondering if others are starting to see the shine come off Elias as well.  I have been saying it for 1.5 years, we know he can build a farm system, but a real GM needs to do so much more and to date I haven't seen it.  This doesn't make me feel he has more skills.

Yeah, I'm coming around on this.

Overall, I've liked Elias...Hats off to him for building a farm system.  I'm not convinced that he can sign a good free agent and that he can swing a trade that doesn't involve stocking the farm system more or shuffling the deck chairs.  He's not shown that he can trade and bring in someone that can have a positive impact on the ML roster.

The offseason isn't over, this is correct.  But for the Orioles, historically, it's over before it's begun.  And that goes for Elias while he's been here.  I'm 

7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Same thought process of the actual Rays signing Kluber.

I was so pissed when I saw they signed him to a 1/10 million dollar deal or whatever it was.  Seriously, wtf.  We could have done that.  

He's not what he was a few years ago but he'd be an upgrade to the rotation.  

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