TOR Potential

[Roll Tide]

So just thinking about the guys who have been in the rotation this year with multiple starts. Who do you think can be a TOR?

For me Bradish and Kremer look like they have the potential. I like Wells and Voth as mid rotation guys. I think Watkins can be a #4. I did not discuss Grayson or Hall as neither has regular starts yet.

[Sports Guy]

GRod and Hall but Hall needs a lot of work to get there.

[Roll Tide]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

GRod and Hall but Hall needs a lot of work to get there.

I get G-Rod ….do you think any of the current rotation has #1 potential?

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I get G-Rod ….do you think any of the current rotation has #1 potential?

No, not close.

[Roll Tide]

23 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

No, not close.

In his last 15 starts Kremer has a 3.07 ERA. Probably goes down a couple points which would be 8th among American League starters obviously not counting his previous starts.

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

In his last 15 starts Kremer has a 3.07 ERA. Probably goes down a couple points which would be 8th among American League starters obviously not counting his previous starts.

If he’s at a 3.07 ERA this time next year and his FIP is close, we can talk about it. 
 

Enjoying the ride right now though. 

[waroriole]

Kremer just doesn’t strike out enough guys, especially in this era, to be anything but a 4/5 guy long term. But that still has value. I think Bradish has slightly better potential, like a #3. 
 

That said, we all know this is often fleeting. We’ll be fortunate if one of them can be a long term SP. 

Edited September 3, 2022 by waroriole

[WarehouseChatter]

I like what I e seen from Bradish and Kremer, but I think we should “hope” they can fill out the back end of the rotation.  Wells looks to be ahead of them.  G-Rod and a few FA acquisitions and we should have a good number of starters to choose from.  One of the things I would like to start seeing next year is a smaller number of starters throughout the year.  If we have a 5-man rotation let’s try to get them each 25+ starts.  We can do this by building depth and competition.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

No, not close.

Different people have different concepts of what TOR means.  If a guy who can throw to a 110 ERA+ and be in the top 40 pitchers in IP meets the definition, I think there’s potential for Kremer or Bradish to do that.  If your definition is more exclusive than that, then maybe not.  

[Remember The Alomar]

Nothing is certain when it comes to pitchers, but I believe at least one of Kremer/Bradish/Wells will be a strong starter on the next Orioles playoff team (2022 excluded, fingers crossed). That being said, I doubt any of them ever receives a Cy Young vote

 

[Jagwar]

GRod is the future TOR

But I think the O's need to try to trade for a TOR this offseason. Do they have enough to get one? 

[wildcard]

To me a TOR starter is a guy that can pitch 30 starts,  average 100 pitches a start,  allow somewhere around 3 runs per game.  Average 6+ innings per start.  Allow less hits than innings pitched.  Can strike out a batter when he needs to.   Its the consistency that makes a TOR starter.    

The O's have the defense to support starters achieving his goal.   I can't say that Grayson, DL, Kremer, Wells, or Bradish do not have the ability to achieve this.  Its within the realm of possibility.  But they have to do it.

[Roll Tide]

8 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

If he’s at a 3.07 ERA this time next year and his FIP is close, we can talk about it. 
 

Enjoying the ride right now though. 

I agree …. I’m saying potential SG said none of them which is harsh imo. He mentions Hall and G Rod. I think everyone can agree on the potential of those guys but Grayson hasn’t gotten here yet and we all know our history with success of our Calvary guys reaching that potential. As far as Hall he has all the stuff but it will take some major adjustment to get his control where it needs to be to reach that potential.

[Can_of_corn]

21 minutes ago, wildcard said:

To me a TOR starter is a guy that can pitch 30 starts,  average 100 pitches a start,  allow somewhere around 3 runs per game.  Average 6+ innings per start.  Allow less hits than innings pitched.  Can strike out a batter when he needs to.   Its the consistency that makes a TOR starter.    

The O's have the defense to support starters achieving his goal.   I can't say that Grayson, DL, Kremer, Wells, or Bradish do not have the ability to achieve this.  Its within the realm of possibility.  But they have to do it.

Some of that stuff is outside the pitcher's control.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Some of that stuff is outside the pitcher's control.

It is a team game.