Contenders Rotations

[eddie83]

I did not even bother to include a team like Texas that could contend for a WC. Went with last years playoff teams plus CWS. Perhaps Twins and Angels could be better as well. Where would the Orioles rank amongst these teams?

-Orioles 
Gibson 

Bradish 

Kremer 

Wells 

GRod    I do think they add one more SP 

 

-Yankees 

 Cole

Cortes

Montas

Severino 

German
 

-Jays 

Manoah 

Gausman

Berrios

Bassitt

Kikuchi

 

-Rays 

McClanahan

Glasnow

Rasmussen 

Eflin

Springs 

-Guardians

Bieber 

McKenzie

Quantrill

Civale 

Plesac

 

-CWS

Cease 

Lynn

Giolito

Clevinger

Kopech 

-HOU

Valdez 

Javier

McCullers

Garcia

Urquidy

 

-SEA

 Castillo 

Gilbert

Ray

Kirby 

Gonzales 

 

 

Whoever wins the Central has no impact on the Orioles WC chances.  That said not even including an improved team like CWS or someone else at worst they need to be in 3rd place in ALE if just one team from C/W is a WC. 

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Of the ones listed? Easily the worst and by a wide margin.

[tabletop]

1 minute ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

Of the ones listed? Easily the worst and by a wide margin.

This

[Ripken]

Yeah, well, our ownership group is suing itself.  

[forphase1]

On paper we are dead last out of those and not even close.  Of course that doesn't mean we can't continue to catch lightening in a bottle with some of those guys with good pitch selection and analytics and close the gap some, but overall I think it is what it is.  Starting pitching is clearly the weakest link of our team right now, and the slight upgrade from Lyles to Gibson didn't help much.  Sure, we can dream about GRod and what Means can do when he's back, but until both of those are actually producing MLB results, its a complete unknown.  

[DrinkinWithFermi]

4 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

On paper we are dead last out of those and not even close.  Of course that doesn't mean we can't continue to catch lightening in a bottle with some of those guys with good pitch selection and analytics and close the gap some, but overall I think it is what it is.  Starting pitching is clearly the weakest link of our team right now, and the slight upgrade from Lyles to Gibson didn't help much.  Sure, we can dream about GRod and what Means can do when he's back, but until both of those are actually producing MLB results, its a complete unknown.  

The frustrating thing is that it absolutely did not need to be this way. Replace Gibson and Wells with, say, Chris Bassitt and Jose Quintana or Pablo Lopez and Tyler Anderson, and suddenly it looks pretty all right.

[interloper]

And there's not really anyone super exciting coming soon after Grayson. Hall is a reliever until he proves otherwise, IMO. Johnson probably won't be ready to debut until next year. You can't get me to buy into Rom right now when Lowther was a thing that happened. 

Means is coming but who knows if he'll be all that effective this season. It's entirely possible he comes back and just can't find the changeup. We've seen starts where the changeup eludes him. He might need a full off-season to work on things. That's going to be my expectation at least, and it should be Elias' too. 

A trade is sorely needed. Whatever is preventing us from signing free agents, be it convincing them to come here or simply not being able to match their contract demands, is what it is. So Elias should be ready to force the issue and bring someone here against his will, lol. Whether that's now or prior to the deadline. 

[oriole]

We’re a little…empty at the top and middle? By far the lowest floor and the ceiling isn’t all that high either outside of one guy who hasn’t ever pitched in the majors. 

[RZNJ]

We were essentially a .500 team last year with the same rotation. Does Bradish put a solid year together?  Does Grayrod hit the floor running?   Is Kremer for real?  Can Wells start and put a full year in?  Does Means pitch like pre-surgery Means by July?

Do Rutschman and Henderson establish themselves as young superstars?

Do Westburg, Ortiz, Norby, Cowser make some ML noise this year?

Do Fabian, Beavers, and Wagner become the 2022 versions of Cowser and Norby?

I'm going to keep enjoying what we have while I sit back and see what happens the rest of the offseason. 

80% of the posters here need some type of intervention.  Good luck!

 

 

[Sports Guy]

Yankees will unquestionably add someone but I think their rotation is ugly even with Cole.  Probably better than ours but if the Os ended up better, it wouldn’t be shocking imo.

A lot depends on how good Grayson is immediately.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

We were essentially a .500 team last year with the same rotation. Does Bradish put a solid year together?  Does Grayrod hit the floor running?   Is Kremer for real?  Can Wells start and put a full year in?  Does Means pitch like pre-surgery Means by July?

Do Rutschman and Henderson establish themselves as young superstars?

Do Westburg, Ortiz, Norby, Cowser make some ML noise this year?

Do Fabian, Beavers, and Wagner become the 2022 versions of Cowser and Norby?

I'm going to keep enjoying what we have while I sit back and see what happens the rest of the offseason. 

80% of the posters here need some type of intervention.  Good luck!

 

 

What does most, if not all, of this post have to do with the thread topic (or even the responses)?

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Sports Guy

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Means is coming but who knows if he'll be all that effective this season. It's entirely possible he comes back and just can't find the changeup. We've seen starts where the changeup eludes him. He might need a full off-season to work on things. That's going to be my expectation at least, and it should be Elias' too. 

Completely agree, I have seen a number of posters cite Means as a reason that we don't really need to add anyone else, as if him returning from major surgery and a year+ layoff and immediately returning to his pre-surgery form is a lock.

As far as I'm concerned, Means should not even enter the calculus for 2023. If we get any meaningful value from him this year, it should come as a nice little bonus.

[LTO's]

Hot take: The Orioles are dead last and it's not even close comments are gonna age very poorly. 

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

What does most, if not all, of this post have to do with the thread topic (or even the responses)?

 

It has to do with the starting rotation which is being discussed.  I rambled after that.  Now you're a moderator too?  God help us!  

[DrinkinWithFermi]

1 minute ago, LTO's said:

Hot take: The Orioles are dead last and it's not even close comments are gonna age very poorly. 

It certainly could work out that way, but that is not really relevant to assessing the rotations as they currently stand.