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8 minutes ago, hazard51 said:

Perhaps it might be worth remembering that Mullins will be the Oriole to profit most from the new rules.  Steals will be easier with the slightly larger bases and  limitations on pickoff attempts and he will gain greatly from the ban on shifts.  How many hard hit balls did he hit into a 3 man right side last year.  A ton in my recollection.  I'm guessing he steals 8 -10 more bases with a better ratio overall and bats .300 with the friendlier right side.

I don't think anyone is going to gain greatly from the changes to rules on shifts.

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Redskins Rick
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Mullins get to live in Florida and nicer weather.

eddie83
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I listened a little bit this morning to MLBN radio. Show would have been from yesterday. I forget the host’s name but Jim Duquette was on. They spent a good bit of time discussing the Marlins. Brought

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Mullins is very valuable to the Orioles right now. Losing him would be a significant blow to the team on a day-to-day basis. You need good outfielders more than ever now with our outfield dimensions.

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3 minutes ago, hazard51 said:

Perhaps it might be worth remembering that Mullins will be the Oriole to profit most from the new rules.  Steals will be easier with the slightly larger bases and  limitations on pickoff attempts and he will gain greatly from the ban on shifts.  How many hard hit balls did he hit into a 3 man right side last year.  A ton in my recollection.  I'm guessing he steals 8 -10 more bases with a better ratio overall and bats .300 with the friendlier right side.

Yeah, I believe it will probably help Mullins.  Mateo, too.  I think maybe you are overestimating the number of additional SBs that will come of it, though. 

8-10 additional steals for one player seems like an awful lot to be solely caused by the new rules to me.  After all, some players have enjoyed seasons with big increases in stolen bases over the years under the previously existing rules.  He may well get 8-10 additional steals, but I don't know that we could know that the rules were the sole reason, rather than just being on base more and/or running more.  Any time he gets a SB because he has a gigantic lead after the pitcher has already thrown over to first the maximum number of times, well, that would be directly attributable to the new rules.  I'm guessing that won't happen as often as we might think.  Playing devil's advocate, I think perhaps pitchers will be far more judicious with their throws to first, and it's possible that there may actually be an increase in the number of runners picked off if runners start overdoing their leads because of fewer tosses to first. 

I think the new rules will probably benefit the Orioles, as the roster currently constructed, but I'm just not sure to what degree.

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14 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Could we convince the Marlins that Hays could play CF for 2023?  If so, Hays, Tate, and Haskin for Pablo Lopez?  The Marlins do love our relievers. 

With the signing of Segura, it looks like an outfielder is a better match for them over an infielder such as Urias or Mateo in any trade for a pitcher.  I think they would value Hays, but not as a CF.  They are probably still targeting Mullins in any deal for Lopez. 

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Stowers and Westburg for Pablo Lopez should at least get the talks started.     The Marlins still could use a 3B, I believe and most believe Westburg is a 3B.   That's two potential starters with 6 years of service time for a very good pitcher with 2 years of service time.   I would think that would at least get the Marlins attention.

The Orioles moves have suggested that Westburg is being slow played or traded.   They also don't seem particularly high on Stowers although I'm not sure how the rest of the industry sees him.    Those two seem like good possibilities to be involved in a trade.

The Frazier move implies that either Westburg is being slow played or that they are just holding the 2B job longer for Ortiz or Norby.

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FYI. The Marlins are still looking to trade SPs, but apparently "are not chasing prospects".  With that in mind our main trade chips are probably Mullins, Mountcastle, Santander, Hays. and Mateo. Adjust your proposed trade packages accordingly.

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Miami has had ongoing conversations about trading starting pitching. A ton. We have heard this for months, but they are adamant on acquiring a major upgrade to the 2023 lineup in any deal for their pitching. They are not chasing prospects.
 
 
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1 hour ago, HakunaSakata said:

FYI. The Marlins are still looking to trade SPs, but apparently "are not chasing prospects".  With that in mind our main trade chips are probably Mullins, Mountcastle, Santander, Hays. and Mateo. Adjust your proposed trade packages accordingly.

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Miami has had ongoing conversations about trading starting pitching. A ton. We have heard this for months, but they are adamant on acquiring a major upgrade to the 2023 lineup in any deal for their pitching. They are not chasing prospects.
 
 

That's fine with me.   Urias?  Mateo?   Hays?   Santander?

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On 12/22/2022 at 2:22 PM, owknows said:

Under more normal circumstances I'd be inclined to agree.

But Santander, Rutschman, and Henderson were pretty much the offense last year.

One dimensional offensive players are for sure easier to find than well rounded players... but Santander's production would be significantly missed.. even if we traded it for 2/3 of that production.

One-dimensional players are easy to find and the FO loves to try to find them...Huff, Trumbo, Cruuuuz, Reynolds, Aguilar. I suggested trading Santander to 1) sell high 2)stay away from one-dimensional players (2022 was all about pitching and defense. No hitters really stuck out) 3) Mountcastle WILL rebound fill that power gap 4) additional spot for Cowser, Stowers, Westburg, Adley to hit in the line up 4) improve our rotation -we cannot rely on guys to have back to back career years. 5)He is getting expensive (Angelos-esque expensive) 6) he is slow 7) he is older 8)) he looks older than what he is . 

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I think he’s supposed to play SS, so in theory they still need a third baseman. 

Fair enough.  With the confusing signing of Fraizer, there is simply nowhere for Urias to play on a regular basis (which he should be doing).  A trade to the fish for pitching makes sense. 

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