2023 Ongoing Lineup Thread

[backdoorslider]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Oh really?

OK, educate me.

Find me actual evidence to support your claim.

I'll start with this google search of "lineup order doesn't matter".

https://baseballjudgments.tripod.com/id99.html

We support our claims here.  If you aren't willing to do the work you'll just end up on /ignore lists.

 

Lineup optimization matters. I know this because I watch the games and I'm not a nerd. You can't take the soul out of everything. Numbers don't mean everything. There are intangibles that matter. For the record, I am a veteran. Served 4 years honorably in the US Army. And I've been watching baseball for a long time. I understand what's going on here.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, NCRaven said:

Your lack of knowledge about modern analysis of baseball is only exceeded by your astounding arrogance.

It's not even modern analysis anymore, this stuff has been around long enough to legally drink Keystone light out of a beer bong.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, backdoorslider said:

 

Lineup optimization matters. I know this because I watch the games and I'm not a nerd. You can't take the soul out of everything. Numbers don't mean everything. There are intangibles that matter. For the record, I am a veteran. Served 4 years honorably in the US Army. And I've been watching baseball for a long time. I understand what's going on here.

Oh you're a vet?

Served four years honorably in the US Army?

Guess what?

I'm a vet.

Served two enlistments honorably in the US Army.

Guess what I did?

Analysis.

 

[backdoorslider]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Oh you're a vet?

Served four years honorably in the US Army?

Guess what?

I'm a vet.

Served two enlistments honorably in the US Army.

Guess what I did?

Analysis.

 

You've just moved up one notch in my book.

[foxfield]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Oh you're a vet?

Served four years honorably in the US Army?

Guess what?

I'm a vet.

Served two enlistments honorably in the US Army.

Guess what I did?

Analysis.

 

On baseball?  I assume you also worked on you unique brand of eternal optimism.  LOL

Thanks for your service/analysis!

[NCRaven]

Lots of vets here, including Hangout's owner.  And me.  What the hell does that have to do with baseball or fandom?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, foxfield said:

On baseball?  I assume you also worked on you unique brand of eternal optimism.  LOL

Thanks for your service/analysis!

Do you want an optimistic Intelligence Analyst?

And thanks, I wasn't at personal risk like a lot of others were.

 

[foxfield]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Do you want an optimistic Intelligence Analyst?

And thanks, I wasn't at personal risk like a lot of others were.

 

Fair point and explains quite a bit.  And of course you are most welcome.

[Frobby]

Obviously lineup order does matter a little bit, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.  Over the course of a season, the leadoff hitter will bat 144 times more than the no. 9 hitter, so you wouldn’t take your best hitter and bat him 9th every game.  

That said, the mathematical difference between one lineup order and another in terms of expected runs is very small and won’t impact many games.  And, the manager is aware of many factors that fans are not.   Therefore, I tend not to obsess on what the lineup is each day.  The current top 3 in our order have all been very hot the last couple days, so why not leave them up there?  Fine by me.  
 

[backdoorslider]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Obviously lineup order does matter a little bit, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.  Over the course of a season, the leadoff hitter will bat 144 times more than the no. 9 hitter, so you wouldn’t take your best hitter and bat him 9th every game.  

That said, the mathematical difference between one lineup order and another in terms of expected runs is very small and won’t impact many games.  And, the manager is aware of many factors that fans are not.   Therefore, I tend not to obsess on what the lineup is each day.  The current top 3 in our order have all been very hot the last couple days, so why not leave them up there?  Fine by me.  
 

 

I agree. Having been in battle with men I understand that you cannot reduce everything into some mathematical formula. There are intangibles that cannot be measured. Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face or an IED goes off to give an analogy. And I know the latter all too well. I like the current construction of the lineup with Hays, Adley and Mounty at the top.

[Dibbs31]

Odd to keep pulling the military card

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Obviously lineup order does matter a little bit, and it would be foolish to suggest otherwise.  Over the course of a season, the leadoff hitter will bat 144 times more than the no. 9 hitter, so you wouldn’t take your best hitter and bat him 9th every game.  

That said, the mathematical difference between one lineup order and another in terms of expected runs is very small and won’t impact many games.  And, the manager is aware of many factors that fans are not.   Therefore, I tend not to obsess on what the lineup is each day.  The current top 3 in our order have all been very hot the last couple days, so why not leave them up there?  Fine by me.  
 

Hence me saying little impact.

Obviously as a general guideline you want your more productive hitters getting more at bats than your less productive hitters. 

But if you want to Maddon things up and bat 'em alphabetically it won't really hurt you.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Dibbs31 said:

Odd to keep pulling the military card

Well you see he upped it.  He's a vet until he finds out I'm a vet.  Now that I said I wasn't in combat he's "been in battle".

 

 

Sorry if I'm assuming gender BDS but since you specified "with men" I think it's safe to do so.

[backdoorslider]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Well you see he upped it.  He's a vet until he finds out I'm a vet.  Now that I said I wasn't in combat he's "been in battle".

 

 

Sorry if I'm assuming gender BDS but since you specified "with men" I think it's safe to do so.

I don't understand the hate that non combat arms get. That said, I was Armor and did a deployment in Iraq. I was 19 when I signed the dotted line. Knowing what I know now I'd have never joined. I hate George Bush. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, backdoorslider said:

I don't understand the hate that non combat arms get. That said, I was Armor and did a deployment in Iraq. I was 19 when I signed the dotted line. Knowing what I know now I'd have never joined. I hate George Bush. 

I never got hate over it.

As I said I did a tour with a combat arms unit, no issues at all.  If anything they were overly impressed with what they thought my job was.