Very, very way too early thoughts

[eddie83]

7 hours ago, Going Underground said:

I still don't get where John Angelos and the Governor are building this entertainment complex like Truist Park.  One side of Camdrn Yards has the train tracks for the Light Rail and MARC  trains and then the Convention Center. To the north is the hotel. Parking lots and then M & T Bank stadium. I guess you can build where Sliders is going towards the UMMS hospital. But behind M&T is the new Topgolf and soon to be Ostend concert hall (formerly Paramount ) opening this summer. Plus perhaps a hotel and retail and other entertainment venues on land owned by the casino.  Plus the rebuilt CFG Arena ,paid for with private funds that wants to host 150 or so events a year.Plus the Ostend which wants to host 200 events. Not sure if another entertainment area near Canden Yards would be economically feasible. Only so many discretionary dollars to go around. The city is not growing and the suburbs as fast as other cities.

I just assumed they were mainly talking about between the casino and M & T Bank Stadium. He also talked about ripping up some parking lots as well. 

 

[JR Oriole]

Who knows what Adley is thinking, but if I was in his shoes, I would be extremely envious of younger players who were drafted by great organizations like the Braves and Cardinals.  How many minutes were Michael Harris and Spencer Strider in the big leagues before the Braves locked them down with big contracts?

[joelala]

3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

 

 

I’m trying to figure out what he is up to. Every opportunity he talks about downtown. Insults people’s intelligence about long term contracts. Tells media he is going to have them look at the books then says nobody does it. He was the person who brought it up.  
 

This should be a time where there is a ton of excitement and enthusiasm around the team. It’s definitely picked up but he is directly responsible for there not being more. It goes beyond what they spent this off-season. There is still an unnecessary disconnect. 
 

He comes across as someone who enjoys the perks of ownership more than the responsibility that comes with it. Enjoys the spotlight until it gets shined on him. 

Sadly I don’t think there’s much to figure out. He just sucks. 

[wildcard]

Few thoughts about the first three games:

1)  The difference between rookie Gunnar and Mateo on that play.  Mateo would have caught it.   If he was settled under the ball the way Gunnar was he is not giving way.   Not to Vavra and Mullins knows better than to call off Mateo.    Gunnar had a rookie moment of hesitation of should he give way or not.   Would not have happen with Mateo.

2)  After McKenna dropped the ball why didn't Hyde walk Duvall.  Duvall is hot.    Casas was the next batter up.  Why pitch to him.

3) I am not worried about Mullins, Hays and McKenna in the outfield.   Their defense will be fine.

4) Gibson had a decent start.  Akin allowed two inherited runs to score.  It was cold.  Move on.   Kremer will do better.  He is better then that.   Irvin?  I still have problems with him away from the Oakland Stadium.

[eddie83]

Just now, joelala said:

Sadly I don’t think there’s much to figure out. He just sucks. 

Sure that may be the simple way to look at it. 
 

Thing is he could be getting positive reviews right now. I know it’s early but the Elias hire looks strong. He accomplished something his father didn’t do in 25 years really. Hire someone and don’t interfere and/or create a dysfunctional environment. The baseball ops are in the best shape they have been in since the 70’s in my opinion.

 

Nobody is even asking him to be like the Padres. I mean there is a massive in between there. Plus other off the field stuff shows he is worried about being as cheap as possible. He inherited the franchise from his father and looks incapable of being a leader. The optics in terms of non baseball aren’t better, if anything they are worse.  

[Going Underground]

9 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I just assumed they were mainly talking about between the casino and M & T Bank Stadium. He also talked about ripping up some parking lots as well. 

 

The casino has bought up most of that land. Actually a group but mostly Caesars. 

The casino is owned by CBAC Gaming, a group led by Caesars Entertainment, and is managed by Caesars. Other members of the CBAC consortium include Jack Entertainment; CVPR Gaming Holdings, LLC; STRON-MD Limited Partnership; and PRT TWO, LLC.

[Moose Milligan]

Orioles fans:  WE WANT OWNERSHIP WHO IS ACCESSIBLE AND INTERACTS WITH THE MEDIA

John Angelos:  *interacts with the media, has been far more accessible than his father has ever been*

Orioles fans:  NO NOT LIKE THAT 

[eddie83]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Few thoughts about the first three games:

1)  The difference between rookie Gunnar and Mateo on that play.  Mateo would have caught it.   If he was settled under the ball the way Gunnar was he is not giving way.   Not to Vavra and Mullins knows better than to call off Mateo.    Gunnar had a rookie moment of hesitation of should he give way or not.   Would not have happen with Mateo.

2)  After McKenna dropped the ball why didn't Hyde walk Duvall.  Duvall is hot.    Casas was the next batter up.  Why pitch to him.

3) I am not worried about Mullins, Hays and McKenna in the outfield.   Their defense will be fine.

4) Gibson had a decent start.  Akin allowed two inherited runs to score.  It was cold.  Move on.   Kremer will do better.  He is better then that.   Irvin?  I still have problems with him away from the Oakland Stadium.

Irvin doesn’t K enough. That’s the concern. I was surprised he threw in Boston. He did get blooped some and wasn’t awful but wasn’t great either. 
 

I’m not worried about defense much either. Need to see rotation have about 5 turns to have a better idea. Issue is right this second the pen isn’t great. 
 

[Moshagge3]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

2)  After McKenna dropped the ball why didn't Hyde walk Duvall.  Duvall is hot.    Casas was the next batter up.  Why pitch to him.

 

I don't know a single manager who would move the tying run into scoring position and the winning run on base in that situation. The 'roided up version of Barry Bonds is the only person in history who deserves that kind of respect.

[joelala]

2 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Sure that may be the simple way to look at it. 
 

Thing is he could be getting positive reviews right now. I know it’s early but the Elias hire looks strong. He accomplished something his father didn’t do in 25 years really. Hire someone and don’t interfere and/or create a dysfunctional environment. The baseball ops are in the best shape they have been in since the 70’s in my opinion.

 

Nobody is even asking him to be like the Padres. I mean there is a massive in between there. Plus other off the field stuff shows he is worried about being as cheap as possible. He inherited the franchise from his father and looks incapable of being a leader. The optics in terms of non baseball aren’t better, if anything they are worse.  

He’s out of his depth knows it and is desperately hoping to hide it from everyone else. And by doing so is making it so abundantly clear that that is in fact the case. 

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

The casino has bought up most of that land. Actually a group but mostly Caesars. 

The casino is owned by CBAC Gaming, a group led by Caesars Entertainment, and is managed by Caesars. Other members of the CBAC consortium include Jack Entertainment; CVPR Gaming Holdings, LLC; STRON-MD Limited Partnership; and PRT TWO, LLC.

Ok. You know all this stuff real well. 
 

Like you said there are limitations here with what they can do. 

[Bemorewins]

9 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

Who knows what Adley is thinking, but if I was in his shoes, I would be extremely envious of younger players who were drafted by great organizations like the Braves and Cardinals.  How many minutes were Michael Harris and Spencer Strider in the big leagues before the Braves locked them down with big contracts?

And this my friends is the issue that is going to be very challenging to the Orioles longterm success! The players look around and see/hear things too (probably much more than any fan). They have friends on other teams and hear about how they are treated, and then they look at the org mess we have.

If I am a upper tier player on the O's why would I want to stay? And if I am a F/A why would I want to come if I have other competitive options?

Until ownership changes/improves, I don't see any scenario where things go well and work out longterm. At this point, it seems that I am almost forced to be more interested in a regime change than on-field results because how can the org succeed with this level of stupidity and self-sabotage from ownership? I hoped this type of stuff was only relegated to movies like "Major League"? Lol

[Going Underground]

17 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

The casino has bought up most of that land. Actually a group but mostly Caesars. 

The casino is owned by CBAC Gaming, a group led by Caesars Entertainment, and is managed by Caesars. Other members of the CBAC consortium include Jack Entertainment; CVPR Gaming Holdings, LLC; STRON-MD Limited Partnership; and PRT TWO, LLC.

This was from 2017- 2018 time frame. Two places of the land they bought are finished - Topgolf and almost ready-The Ostend  concert  John Angelos just wants to claim credit for things built and future planning as long as he dosen't have to put up any money 

 

 

State land records show the casino’s partnership group is spending millions to buy up properties around the casino in South Baltimore to push a transformation of the gritty industrial area of warehouses and parking lots into a more inviting entertainment district.

 

Others are scouting the neighborhood, too, with the same vision.

—City officials say another group wants to build a high-tech golf driving range in the district.

The goal, ultimately, is to establish a sports and entertainment district that connects the casino through the football stadium and baseball park to the Inner Harbor.

 

Caesars, the Las Vegas-based casino and resort giant, said it hopes to create Baltimore’s “next great entertainment district” to lure Baltimoreans and tourists beyond the stadiums and Inner Harbor, but said it would be premature to discuss specific plans for its new properties.

Acquisitions include an old warehouse on Warner Street between Horseshoe and M&T Bank Stadium for $4.8 million and an office building across the street for $3.2 million. The partnership also has options on two city-owned parking lots on Ostend and Warner streets.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Going Underground

[backwardsk]

17 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

Who knows what Adley is thinking, but if I was in his shoes, I would be extremely envious of younger players who were drafted by great organizations like the Braves and Cardinals.  How many minutes were Michael Harris and Spencer Strider in the big leagues before the Braves locked them down with big contracts?

The Braves deals are incredibly team friendly. Acuna already regrets his.  Adley will likely earn 3-4X as much as Harris will.  I’m sure he’s cool with taking things to FA. As a fan, you want to see young stars signed early, sure. But there’s really no reason for Adley to sign long term unless he gets offered sometmore along what the nationals offered Soto.

[AlbNYfan]

1) Despite their overall poor display defensively, the O's were 1 out (error) away from taking the series. 2) Gunnar is pressing. He made 2 poor decisions throwing to first on balls deep in the hole that were pointless. Nice range, nice arm, but eat the ball!! Good eye at plate, but little contact. 3) Adley getting a beating behind plate (and at bat..hit in knee), and trying to take an extra base (dangerous, ugly, slide) better figure out a way to maximize his play or "extension" would be pointless. 3) Position flexibility?? It's nice to have guys that can move around in an emergency basis only. Jack of all trades, Master of none does not work for me. 4) Pitching, who knows?? Thus far, Kremer worries me the most as a starter. To me there doesn't seem to be a thought process going on. Akin better find good location on all his pitches, no one will ever miss his mistakes. 5) Mullins, looks comfortable at plate, like '21. He really plays deep in CF at Fenway. 6) 3 of the last 4 openers against Red Sox?? Season should never start outdoors north of the Mason/Dixon line.