Second half leaders

[Frobby]

The O’s are 17-9 so far in the second half.  
Mountcastle 1.128 OPS

McCann .966

Frazier .891

Rutschman .865

Bradish 2-2, 2.84 ERA

Rodriguez 0-1, 3.45

Kremer 2-0, 3.71

Gibson 2-0, 4.15

So far, the team has a 3.88 ERA in the second half.

[banks703]

If McCann and Frazier continue to produce in the second half, with a newfound Ryan Mountcastle, a healthy Ced and the rest of the fun bunch, the O's are going to continue to be really tough. Gibby (who I personally targeted as a rotation upgrade candidate before the TWells situation) and the other veteran guys are really coming through for this team right now. It shows once again that Elias and Company know more about their job than a lot of us think that we do. 

They've played really well through a tough part of their schedule. My hope is that they take advantage of this next stretch against teams that, on paper, are weaker than who they've played thus far in the second half. In past years, even the years during the playoff teams in the 'Teens, I was in perpetual fear of them playing down to their competition. I don't think that I have that fear with this current group. They seem to be pretty focused and consistent most every night, which has been huge to their success this year.

They have 48 wins against teams that are > .500, which is 9 games more than any other team. If that doesn't signal their ability to compete with anyone, I don't know what will. That 17-9 is excellent. The Tuesday night game stinks as it would have made them 18-8 in the second half and 4 up on the Rays right now but I'd rather they have a meltdown game/series at the beginning of August than in October.

[sportsfan8703]

31 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The O’s are 17-9 so far in the second half.  
Mountcastle 1.128 OPS

McCann .966

Frazier .891

Rutschman .865

Bradish 2-2, 2.84 ERA

Rodriguez 0-1, 3.45

Kremer 2-0, 3.71

Gibson 2-0, 4.15

So far, the team has a 3.88 ERA in the second half.

The SP has been great. It’s easy to see that the more McCann plays well, then Adley can produce more as a DH. 

[Sports Guy]

The 2 homer game game for Frazier is really propping up his numbers in the second half.

They reduced his at bats, which is good to see. 
 

 

[Frobby]

58 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The 2 homer game game for Frazier is really propping up his numbers in the second half.

They reduced his at bats, which is good to see. 
 

 

You never miss an opportunity to diss Frazier or minimize anything good he’s done.  They’ve reduced his at bats ever since Westburg arrived, which is fine. We all want Westburg to get regular playing time.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You never miss an opportunity to diss Frazier or minimize anything good he’s done.  They’ve reduced his at bats ever since Westburg arrived, which is fine. We all want Westburg to get regular playing time.

Frazier is actually performing worse than I predicted but yea, I think when you put numbers out there based off of a SSS and that SSS is literally being propped up largely by one game, it should be stated.

That game increased his OPS by close to 40 points. To his credit, he has basically sustained it but outside of that game he is hitting 266 since the break with 1 homer, 3 doubles and 8 singles.…nothing really jaw dropping and certainly not what the 891 OPS you mentioned would lead you to believe.

[banks703]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

The 2 homer game game for Frazier is really propping up his numbers in the second half.

They reduced his at bats, which is good to see. 
 

 

Kinda.. though I agree that reducing his playing time is good because his defense is not awesome and it means that both JW and Urias get more and because Frazier looks like someone who does NOT need to play all the time to be productive with his opportunities. Maybe that's what Hyde means when he refers to the Odors and Fraziers and their veteranocity (though Odor was not as productive as Frazier has been this year). If he's playing three or four times a week and maintain his production, he's a really good option off of the bench as he could in a pinch play both SS and 3B as well as the OF, as we've seen.

Going back exactly two months to June 11 (41 games) he's posted:

.257/.315/.451. His BABIP is .250 and wOBA is .329. During that time he logged 126 PA, 29 H, 4 2B, 6 HR, 15 R, 22 RBI. 

This is a pretty steady line for him. The .766 OPS is nothing to write home about but it's better than everyone not named Gunnar, Adley, Ant, O'Hearn and Mountcastle (Westburg's OPS since June 11 is .761, Urias is .722)

Since July 1 though (26 games) Frazier has posted:

.296/.320/.521. His BABIP is .293 and wOBA is .355. During that time he logged 77 PA, 21 H, 4 2B, 4 HR, 10 R, 15 RBI. 

His K for the year is 12% and has been pretty consistent all year (12.7% since June 11 and 13% since July 1).

He's been pretty steady at the plate though for the last two months so I can't agree that his numbers are propped up by the 2HR game. They're better for sure but overall they've been pretty good for a while now. 

[Frobby]

35 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Frazier is actually performing worse than I predicted but yea, I think when you put numbers out there based off of a SSS and that SSS is literally being propped up largely by one game, it should be stated.

That game increased his OPS by close to 40 points. To his credit, he has basically sustained it but outside of that game he is hitting 266 since the break with 1 homer, 3 doubles and 8 singles.…nothing really jaw dropping and certainly not what the 891 OPS you mentioned would lead you to believe.

I mean, all I did was post who the post-ASB leaders were.  It’s not like I had some agenda to prop up Frazier.  I probably could remove the best game of Mountcastle, McCann or Rutschman and their numbers also would drop significantly.   (Not as much for Mountcastle or Rutschman since they have more PA than Frazier or McCann.)

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I mean, all I did was post who the post-ASB leaders were.  It’s not like I had some agenda to prop up Frazier.  I probably could remove the best game of Mountcastle, McCann or Rutschman and their numbers also would drop significantly.   (Not as much for Mountcastle or Rutschman since they have more PA than Frazier or McCann.)

And all I did is mention that one game props up his stats in the second half.

[Sanity Check]

Why not take Frazier's bad games out, too?  I mean, yes, he had a two homer game, but guess what, if some others had a game like that, maybe they'd be a leader.

The cherry-picking of stats kind of gets overdone to suit a narrative.  We're better than this.....I think.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Sanity Check
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[banks703]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Frazier is actually performing worse than I predicted but yea, I think when you put numbers out there based off of a SSS and that SSS is literally being propped up largely by one game, it should be stated.

That game increased his OPS by close to 40 points. To his credit, he has basically sustained it but outside of that game he is hitting 266 since the break with 1 homer, 3 doubles and 8 singles.…nothing really jaw dropping and certainly not what the 891 OPS you mentioned would lead you to believe.

Since the break FanGraphs has Frazier at:

.306/.340/.551. .300 BABIP and .374 wOBA. 

54 PAs, 15 H, 3 2B, 3 HR, 7 R, 10 RBI

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, banks703 said:

Since the break FanGraphs has Frazier at:

.306/.340/.551. .300 BABIP and .374 wOBA. 

54 PAs, 15 H, 3 2B, 3 HR, 7 R, 10 RBI

And?

[banks703]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

And?

LOL

I'm just clarifying your statement of how Frazier has performed worse than what you predicted with the stats that you provided. He's not hitting .266 since the break with one homerun. He's hitting .306 since the break with 3 homeruns. 

That's all, good buddy. 

 

[btdart20]

2 hours ago, banks703 said:

If McCann and Frazier continue to produce in the second half, with a newfound Ryan Mountcastle, a healthy Ced and the rest of the fun bunch, the O's are going to continue to be really tough. Gibby (who I personally targeted as a rotation upgrade candidate before the TWells situation) and the other veteran guys are really coming through for this team right now. It shows once again that Elias and Company know more about their job than a lot of us think that we do. 

They've played really well through a tough part of their schedule. My hope is that they take advantage of this next stretch against teams that, on paper, are weaker than who they've played thus far in the second half. In past years, even the years during the playoff teams in the 'Teens, I was in perpetual fear of them playing down to their competition. I don't think that I have that fear with this current group. They seem to be pretty focused and consistent most every night, which has been huge to their success this year.

They have 48 wins against teams that are > .500, which is 9 games more than any other team. If that doesn't signal their ability to compete with anyone, I don't know what will. That 17-9 is excellent. The Tuesday night game stinks as it would have made them 18-8 in the second half and 4 up on the Rays right now but I'd rather they have a meltdown game/series at the beginning of August than in October.

This team oozes with confidence and competitive spirit.  They don't seem to care who they play; they just love to play the game!  Here's to hoping the Astros taking 2 of 3 raises the bar even more!  They have a great mix of stability/maturity/focus and energy/passion.

[Moose Milligan]

Oh look, another Frazier thread.