2024 International Draft - signing period opens 1/15/24

[btdart20]

O's have $7,114,800.  (Other ALE teams:  TBR $6,520,000, BOS $5,284,000, TOR $5,152,000, NYY $4,652,200)

The top MLB international prospects for 2023-24

Has anyone seen/heard of any players linked to the O's?

[RZNJ]

3 hours ago, btdart20 said:

O's have $7,114,800.  (Other ALE teams:  TBR $6,520,000, BOS $5,284,000, TOR $5,152,000, NYY $4,652,200)

The top MLB international prospects for 2023-24

Has anyone seen/heard of any players linked to the O's?

I found a BA article that lists the top ten 2024 international prospects and none are linked to the O’s.  They usually have a top 50 at some point but I don’t see one at this time.

FWIW, we signed Tavera for 1.7M and Soto for around 400K in 2022 and Soto might be better.

In 2023 we signed Almeyda for over 2M and Liranzo for less than 500K and Liranzo might be better.

It’s nice to see the big names attached to the O’s but I’m not too worried either way.

Edited November 6, 2023 by RZNJ

[btdart20]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

It’s nice to see the big names attached to the O’s but I’m not too worried either way.

Agreed.  Plus I doubt we’ll ever be connected with a “top 3” guy (or at least very rarely).  Better to scout well and spread the bucket of money around.

[RZNJ]

26 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

Agreed.  Plus I doubt we’ll ever be connected with a “top 3” guy (or at least very rarely).  Better to scout well and spread the bucket of money around.

Right.  The 3M and 4M players don’t seem to have a high hit rate.  I think I prefer a lot of 400k-500k and the 200K types.  

Edited November 7, 2023 by RZNJ

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

Right.  The 3M and 4M players don’t seem to have a high hit rate.  I think I prefer a lot of 400k-500k and the 200K types.  

What's a high hit rate?

I'd sure like Ethan Salas, or Jasson Dominguez. 

The reason more 200K guys hit might be that we have a lot more of 200K guys.

I think the smart move is to adjust the strategy year to year.  If you get a in on a high end guy you shouldn't be afraid to take a risk.

[RZNJ]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

What's a high hit rate?

I'd sure like Ethan Salas, or Jasson Dominguez. 

The reason more 200K guys hit might be that we have a lot more of 200K guys.

I think the smart move is to adjust the strategy year to year.  If you get a in on a high end guy you shouldn't be afraid to take a risk.

This is 2016. I’ll try to get more recent.

pools.

No.PlayerPosCountryTeamBonus

1Adrian MorejonlhpCubaPadres$11,000,000

T-2Alfredo RodriguezssCubaReds$7,000,000

T-2Jorge OñaofCubaPadres$7,000,000

4Vladimir GutierrezrhpCubaReds$4,750,000

5Kevin MaitanssVenezuelaBraves$4,250,000

6Luis AlmanzarssDominicanPadres$4,050,000

7Yasel AntunassDominicanNationals$3,900,000

8Abrahan GutierrezcVenezuelaBraves$3,530,000

T-9Lazaro ArmenterosofCubaAthletics$3,000,000

T-9Michel BaezrhpCubaPadres$3,000,000

11Jonatan MachadoofCubaCardinals$2,350,000

12Ronald BolañosrhpCubaPadres$2,250,000

T-13Cionel PerezlhpCubaAstros$2,000,000

T-13Yordan Alvarezof/1bCubaDodgers$2,000,000

T-13Norge RuizrhpCubaAthletics$2,000,000

T-16Yunior SeverinossDominicanBraves$1,900,000

T-16Gabriel AriasssVenezuelaPadres$1,900,000

T-16Johan OviedorhpCubaCardinals$1,900,000

19Jeisson RosarioofDominicanPadres$1,850,000

T-20Yerdelluis VargasssDominicanAthletics$1,500,000

T-20Victor GarciaofVenezuelaCardinals$1,500,000

T-20Tirso OrnelasofMexicoPadres$1,500,000

T-20Anibal SierrassCubaAstros$1,500,000

24Luis GarciassDominicanNationals$1,300,000

T-25Justin LopezssVenezuelaPadres$1,250,000

T-25Randy ArozarenaofCubaCardinals$1,250,000

T-27Juan ContrerasrhpDominicanBraves$1,200,000

T-27Freudis NovassDominicanAstros$1,200,000

29Yanio PerezofCubaRangers$1,140,000

T-30Josue GuerreroofDominicanWhite Sox$1,100,000

T-30Marcos BritossDominicanAthletics$1,100,000

32Yenci PenassDominicanBraves$1,050,000

T-33Yefri del RosariorhpDominicanBraves$1,000,000

T-33Jordy BarleyssDominicanPadres$1,000,000

T-33Livan SotossVenezuelaBraves$1,000,000

T-33Yeikel BlandinofVenezuelaRockies$1,000,000

T-33Yorbin CeutassVenezuelaAstros$1,000,000

38Jose SanchezssVenezuelaNationals$950,000

T-39Alfredo GarcialhpVenezuelaRockies$900,000

T-39Brayan GonzalezssVenezuelaPhillies$900,000

41Leuri MejiaofDominicanRangers$850,000

42Alison QuinterocVenezuelaPadres$830,000

T-43Pablo AbreuofDominicanBrewers$800,000

T-43Albert GuaimaroofVenezuelaMarlins$800,000

T-43David GarciacVenezuelaRangers$800,000

46Simon MuzziottiofVenezuelaPhillies$750,000

47Jean Carlos CarmonassDominicanBrewers$725,000

48Francisco MoralesrhpVenezuelaPhillies$720,000

49Diego BlancorhpVenezuelaRockies$700,000

50Angel MacuarerhpVenezuelaAstros$695,000

 

[Can_of_corn]

I see the top names are all Cuban.  Did they even count against the pool?

If not I don't see how they are very relevant to the conversation. 

 

[RZNJ]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I see the top names are all Cuban.  Did they even count against the pool?

If not I don't see how they are very relevant to the conversation. 

 

That was  the list.  I thought you’d be smart enough to know that Kevin Maitan at #5 was the top J2 signing that year and filter out the Cubans.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, RZNJ said:

That was  the list.  I thought you’d be smart enough to know that Kevin Maitan at #5 was the top J2 signing that year and filter out the Cubans.

I'm not even smart enough to figure out why you provided the list to begin with.

I asked what constituted a high hit rate. 

I'll readily agree that giving a kid 4M doesn't guarantee he'll succeed.

But if the O's manage to get in tight with a high dollar, highly regarded guy at some point, I'm not going dismiss the idea out of hand.  Sometimes spending 5M on one guy is the better move over spreading 5M over a bunch of guys.

[btdart20]

12 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

What's a high hit rate?

I'd sure like Ethan Salas, or Jasson Dominguez. 

The reason more 200K guys hit might be that we have a lot more of 200K guys.

I think the smart move is to adjust the strategy year to year.  If you get a in on a high end guy you shouldn't be afraid to take a risk.

To answer the question:  No clue on what's a high hit rate.  Are the $4+m kids like a 1st round pick?  Or like a 5th rounder?  What about the $500k guys?  There's a question of reach as well as evaluation.  The more visible/higher talent levels tend to be bidded up.  Our scouts have to see further and clearer somehow.

I'd like Salas too.  But I think I like Basallo and a few other "more projectable" shots on goal better as a game plan.  Going to an extreme made-up scenario:  1 $5m prospect and 25 $75k prospect vs 1 $2m prospect, 1 $1m guy, 4 $500k guys and 20 $100k guys...

I agree that, if in the right situation, they shouldn't be afraid to take a risk.  And I believe we have seen them move up a bit in the risk-adjusted food chain with Almeyda.  Adding top-shelf talent should be on the table always.

[OriolesMagic83]

Hitting on one guy like Basallo will pay for several years of the international draft.  It's sad the O's ignored it for so long.

Who were the brothers the O's were in on a few years ago.  I believe they went to the Marlins and never amounted to anything. 

[clapdiddy]

Sounds like the "real" baseball draft to me.   Some first round guys who get the big money never make it...and later round guys can turn into stars.

 

[Frobby]

20 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

What's a high hit rate?

I'd sure like Ethan Salas, or Jasson Dominguez. 

The reason more 200K guys hit might be that we have a lot more of 200K guys.

I think the smart move is to adjust the strategy year to year.  If you get a in on a high end guy you shouldn't be afraid to take a risk.

I did a study of this a few years ago, comparing the yield on the high-priced guys, the middle class, and the bargain basement guys.  For what it’s worth:

 

[Warehouse]

Emilio Sanchez, a 16 year-old lefty-hitting shortstop from Los Bautys academy who is ranked #30 by MLB Pipeline, wears exclusively Orioles apparel on his Instagram profile.

He seems to the only top 50 signing for the Orioles this period.

[Warehouse]

Below is my tracking of which teams have been linked to the MLB Pipeline top 50 international prospects based on online reports and Instagram profiles.  The list is probably not 100% accurate, but likely is close.
 

1 - Leo De Vries - Padres

2 - Paulino Santana - Rangers

3 - Jose Perdomo - Braves

4 - Fernando Cruz - Cubs

5 - Adolfo Sanchez - Reds

6 - Yovanny Rodriguez - Mets

7 - Dawel Joseph - Mariners

8 - Daiber De Los Santos - Twins

9 - Kennew Blanco - Blue Jays

10 - Adriel Rodney - Diamondbacks

11 - Eduardo Herrera - White Sox

12 - Jorge Quintana - Guardians

13 - Roberto Arias - Guardians

14 - Emil Morales - Dodgers

15 - Francisco Vilorio - Yankees

16 - Yandel Ricardo - Royals

17 - Ashly Andujar - Rockies

18 - Leonardo Pineda - Rays

19 - Jalvin Arias - Phillies

20 - Victor Hurtado - Nationals

21 - Luis Cova - Marlins

22 - Jesus Madez - Brewers

23 - Angel Feliz - Rockies

24 - Belfi Rivera - Diamondbacks

25 - Branneli Franco

26 - Raymel Ortiz - Mets

27 - Franklin Rojas - Blue Jays

28 - Steven Martinez - Yankees

29 - Curly Martha - Rangers

30 - Emilio Sanchez - Orioles

31 - Jensy Rivas - Mets

32 - Angel Guzman - Giants

33 - Vladimir Asensio - Red Sox

34 - Andres Arias- Blue Jays

35 - Oscar Pujols - Rockies

36 - Yoendry Sanchez - Giants

37 - Joswa Lugo - Angels

38 - Bralyn Brazoban - Pirates

39 - Eduardo Beltre - Twins

40 - Jeremy Denaud - A’s

41 - Edward Lantigua - Mets

42 - Naibel Mariano - Reds

43 - Edgar Montero - A’s

44 - Jhonny Level - Giants

45 - Nestor Miranda - Tigers

46 - Yolfran Castillo - Rangers

47 - Jose Ramos - A’s

48 - Leandro Romero - Mariners

49 - Anderson Paula (maybe Astros)

50 - Abdiel Feliz - Yankees