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16 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Why would Elias trade Westburg?

Because we have boku IF.  He’s our best trade chip IMO.  I’d hate doing it, but he’s likely the cost of doing business for a difference maker.  We are relatively light in the OF and have an over abundance of IF.  

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I'm just catching up on this but we know how Elias and company share information outside of their inner circle. They don't. We've heard from players many times say they don't hear from the Orioles abo

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Would the Marlins play/value Westburg at SS?

The Marlins talk is picking up because of just natural conclusions being drawn. The Cease talks have been going on since last deadline. I think both sides know what each other wants and now it’s a matter of who blinks first. The Marlins give us some leverage and a backup option. 

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27 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Would the Marlins play/value Westburg at SS?

The Marlins talk is picking up because of just natural conclusions being drawn. The Cease talks have been going on since last deadline. I think both sides know what each other wants and now it’s a matter of who blinks first. The Marlins give us some leverage and a backup option. 

Getz wasn’t hired until after the trade deadline 

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47 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Getz wasn’t hired until after the trade deadline 

Good info. I see he was the asst GM though. Also, the debuts of Westburg and Cowser happened. We weren’t in a position to trade Westburg then because he was helping the MLB club, and Cowser had just had a terrible debut. 

So what’s changed from the deadline last year?  Getz is now the GM. We can afford to trade Westburg because of Holliday and Mayo. Cowser and Ortiz are not headliners. If they were, this trade would’ve happened. 

Trading Westburg will hurt, but we also have a whole MLB OF that will need to be replaced by OD next year likely. Plus, a 1B/DH option in O’Hearn. So it makes sense to trade Westburg and keep the OF prospects. 

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I'd be down to trade Westburg.

I remember before he made his MLB debut reading some analysis that he was likely to be eventually traded because his bat would play so poorly at Camden Yards. He was a righty who pulled the ball a lot.

I just checked his splits for his first 208 ABs in the bigs:

Home: .662 OPS

Away: .768 OPS

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4 minutes ago, TommyPickles said:

I'd be down to trade Westburg.

I remember before he made his MLB debut reading some analysis that he was likely to be eventually traded because his bat would play so poorly at Camden Yards. He was a righty who pulled the ball a lot.

I just checked his splits for his first 208 ABs in the bigs:

Home: .662 OPS

Away: .768 OPS

That's a pretty small sample size. 

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10 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

That's a pretty small sample size. 

That's fair. Just something to keep an eye on, not a dealbreaker for Westburg or anything.

I just looked up the Marlins stadium dimensions. I think you could make a case that he'd have a higher OPS there, though.

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1 minute ago, TommyPickles said:

That's fair. Just something to keep an eye on, not a dealbreaker for Westburg or anything.

I just looked up the Marlins stadium dimensions. I think you could make a pretty strong case that he'd have a higher OPS there overtime, though.

Yeah...didn't mean for that to sound like I was bashing.   Also, I don't object to Westburg going in the right deal.   I like him, but if he can be a key piece to acquire a starter, I'd be all for it.

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If the eight Tier 1 guys all make it, there's only one starting role for Westburg or Ortiz or Norby on future Orioles teams.     That's loosely giving EBJ some separation from these infielders in overall future projection.

I think as Clubs manage rest the 10th guy probably is right there in importance with the 9 starters for the regular season, but that's still someone riding the bench in the tournament.

Opening Day I'd be happy for them and us if they all find starting roles somewhere, and this fall we aren't sweating if Mateo is pinch hitting for Frazier or vice versa because Mayo-Gunnar-Holliday-Basallo is the first string.

 

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