Frobby Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said: Those two pieces coming back to the Rays have nice minor league numbers and look like a decent return. Does anyone know how they were viewed as prospects? Pepiot was ranked 55th by BA heading into 2023. He missed a lot of the year with an oblique injury but did well at the end of the year after recovering. Deluca was unranked and wasn’t very high up on the Dodgers’ prospect list going into last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdart20 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, ThisIsBirdland said: Those two pieces coming back to the Rays have nice minor league numbers and look like a decent return. Does anyone know how they were viewed as prospects? Pepiot is pretty well regarded. It's been a while since I've heard anything about Deluca. His offensive stats look pretty vanilla offensively (after mentally accounting for the PCL bump) IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan8703 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I'm so glad that the Dodgers are what they are. These are moves that the Yankees and Red Sox used to do. I'll continue to root for the Dodgers to get everyone. We won't see them until the WS outside of a regular season series every other season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 This continues to suggest two of our 4-6 prospects is a serious overpay for Dylan Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pickles said: This continues to suggest two of our 4-6 prospects is a serious overpay for Dylan Cease. Trading anyone from our top 3 is an overpay. Cowser and Ortiz isn’t an overpay. Cease has one more year…has been healthier. Pepiot was a recent borderline top 50 guy. And you have the money aspect of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pickles said: This continues to suggest two of our 4-6 prospects is a serious overpay for Dylan Cease. Isn't just the Rays being the Rays and jettisoning guys who are sort of expensive for decent prospects? Maybe they're kicking in a little money for a prospect like Pepiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Sports Guy said: Trading anyone from our top 3 is an overpay. Cowser and Ortiz isn’t an overpay. Cease has one more year…has been healthier. Pepiot was a recent borderline top 50 guy. And you have the money aspect of things. Cowser and Ortiz is an overpay, simply because they can't get that equivalent value on the market except for from the Orioles. It is bidding against yourself. Cowser and Ortiz is 2x, more than, what the Rays got for Glasnow. Is Cease 2x more valuable? He's not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Isn't just the Rays being the Rays and jettisoning guys who are sort of expensive for decent prospects? Maybe they're kicking in a little money for a prospect like Pepiot. Sure, it's the Rays doing what the Rays do. But it also tells us about the trade market, because obviously, the Rays took the best deal they could get. If this is the best deal they could get for Glasnow, then it suggests that Cowser/Ortiz is a serious overpay for Cease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan8703 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 A top 50 pitching prospect is worth more than a top 50 position player. Pepiot is more valuable than Cowser. He's certainly more valuable than a package of Ortiz and Norby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Regular Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) In the last couple weeks, NFBC drafters have pegged Ryan Pepiot (expecting he was a Dodger) for similar 2024 roto category production to Aaron Civale, Brayan Bello and Lucas Giolito on a random team. Pepiot currently has 1.005 service time. He'd been built up to ~2200 pitches in 2022, but only managed about half that last year. The oblique strain was right before Opening Day, and cost basically the first half. On the 2022-23 Dodgers, Stuff+ thinks he was overall near to Tony Gonsolin and Andrew Heaney in the bottom half of the list. Edited December 13, 2023 by Just Regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickles Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said: A top 50 pitching prospect is worth more than a top 50 position player. Pepiot is more valuable than Cowser. He's certainly more valuable than a package of Ortiz and Norby. LOL. Says who? History would suggest the exact opposite. Pepiot was a top 60 guy coming into this year and was oft-injured. Cowser was a top 30 guy who had a very good AAA season and made his ML debut. Pepiot has nowhere near the value of Cowser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pickles said: Cowser and Ortiz is an overpay, simply because they can't get that equivalent value on the market except for from the Orioles. It is bidding against yourself. Cowser and Ortiz is 2x, more than, what the Rays got for Glasnow. Is Cease 2x more valuable? He's not. First of all, you have no idea what they are getting offered. The market determines what is an overpay and since you have no idea what the market is saying, it’s foolish to say it is. And you absolutely can make the argument that Cease for one extra year and less money than Glasnow makes for one year is worth significantly more. How much more is determined by the market. Losing Ortiz is irrelevant to the Os in terms of saying, Ortiz isn’t someone you walk away from the deal over. This is really all about who you pair with him. If the WS are getting offered either young established MLers and/or borderline top 50 guys, this is obviously not an overpay. Now, if the market is saying the best they can get (in terms of a headliner) is a prospect that is really more of a top 75 guy, then yes, this would be an overpay. For me, I would rather overpay than not get him. As long as we aren’t trading any of our top 3 or the obvious ML guys, I don’t particularly care. The depth is there everywhere and I trust that Elias can replenish talent that we lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pickles said: Sure, it's the Rays doing what the Rays do. But it also tells us about the trade market, because obviously, the Rays took the best deal they could get. If this is the best deal they could get for Glasnow, then it suggests that Cowser/Ortiz is a serious overpay for Cease. Haven't had my coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriolesMagic83 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, ThisIsBirdland said: Nice return by the Rays. Pepiot was their top pitching prospect last year and looked good in limited MLB action. Didn't think LA would even consider trading him because they would want him in their rotation this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StottyByNature Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Pickles said: Cowser and Ortiz is an overpay, simply because they can't get that equivalent value on the market except for from the Orioles. It is bidding against yourself. Cowser and Ortiz is 2x, more than, what the Rays got for Glasnow. Is Cease 2x more valuable? He's not. I suppose reasonable minds can disagree but I absolutely think Cease is 2x more valuable than Glasnow. You get him for two seasons and he has been significantly more healthy than Glasnow. Glasnow has only gone over 100 innings once. Cease is also relatively cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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