Felix Bautista 2024 (Monitoring his injury rehab)

[OnlyOneOriole]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I really dislike having a mid season exhibition game when players are at risk of injury. I did not watch the game but I agree 28 pitches is a lot. Still, he pitched for another full month and a half after that, so I think it is pretty hard to infer direct causation. If you want to say it contributed to the stress on his arm, sure, but so did the frequent back-to-backs and multi-inning appearances. 

Remember Bradish pitched for 3 months with a torn UCL.  And pitched well.  Until he couldn't.  Just because a tear happens doesn't mean it will curtail you right away.   I saw FB's face and body language during that game.  Something was off. 

 

I can speak of this from personal experience.  I have a torn UCL and a bone chip the size of a quarter in my right elbow, and have had it for years.  Back from when I first got it looked at 20 years ago.   I just lived with the pain.  Sometimes up to 8 tylenol a day.   It always hurts and it wasn't until I was bowling one specific shot a few years ago and it completely blew out that I had to go to a orthopedist for it.   I just rested it for 3 months and have done nothing overhand as far as sports and working out since.  Anytime I throw overhand?  It kills.

No way I could throw a baseball 80 times a game.  My arm would probably fall off.    The elbow really controls your overhand throws.  Underhand and side arm is not nearly as bad. 

Edited July 17 by OnlyOneOriole

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Remember Bradish pitched for 3 months with a torn UCL.  And pitched well.  Until he couldn't.  Just because a tear happens doesn't mean it will curtail you right away.   I saw FB's face and body language during that game.  Something was off. 

 

I can speak of this from personal experience.  I have a torn UCL and a bone chip the size of a quarter in my right elbow, and have had it for years.  Back from when I first got it looked at 20 years ago.   I just lived with the pain.  Sometimes up to 8 tylenol a day.   It always hurts and it wasn't until I was bowling one specific shot a few years ago and it completely blew out that I had to go to a orthopedist for it.   I just rested it for 3 months and have done nothing overhand as far as sports and working out since.  Anytime I throw overhand?  It kills.

No way I could throw a baseball 80 times a game.  My arm would probably fall off.    The elbow really controls your overhand throws.  Underhand and side arm is not nearly as bad. 

Bradish was shut down and then did a full rehab before he started pitching again. Anyway go ahead and believe what you are going to believe, I'm not going to try and convince you, but there are some facts you are leaving out.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

Bradish was shut down and then did a full rehab before he started pitching again. Anyway go ahead and believe what you are going to believe, I'm not going to try and convince you, but there are some facts you are leaving out.

This is a message board amirite?  We offer opinions? 

What facts do we all really have? 

None.  I can offer life experience. 

All I can offer is what I saw and what I personally have been through.  I have a torn UCL.  Do you?  Including a bone chip the size of a quarter in your elbow???  I do.   I know the pain.   I have talked to 3 doctors about it.  And they all said the same.   If you don't want surgery....which I do not....then rehab the best that you can and avoid any type of over hand throwing.  

Until you have been through this you really have no 'facts'.

 

 

 

Edited July 17 by OnlyOneOriole

[Moose Milligan]

Did you just take that photo today?

[Brian88]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Did you just take that photo today?

I think thats Felix Bautsita's arm after last year All Star game

[Aristotelian]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

Did you just take that photo today?

The masked guy in the background suggests it was during the pandemic. Seems like bowling might be a bad idea with a torn UCL though. Regardless I'm not sure how that proves anything about Bautista. Then again, I am not a master horse trainer. 

[ChosenOne21]

It's definitely impossible to know anything about torn UCLs unless you've had one yourself. Thank God James Andrews was willing to take one for the team...

[dystopia]

4 hours ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Remember Bradish pitched for 3 months with a torn UCL.  And pitched well.  Until he couldn't.  Just because a tear happens doesn't mean it will curtail you right away.   I saw FB's face and body language during that game.  Something was off. 

 

I can speak of this from personal experience.  I have a torn UCL and a bone chip the size of a quarter in my right elbow, and have had it for years.  Back from when I first got it looked at 20 years ago.   I just lived with the pain.  Sometimes up to 8 tylenol a day.   It always hurts and it wasn't until I was bowling one specific shot a few years ago and it completely blew out that I had to go to a orthopedist for it.   I just rested it for 3 months and have done nothing overhand as far as sports and working out since.  Anytime I throw overhand?  It kills.

No way I could throw a baseball 80 times a game.  My arm would probably fall off.    The elbow really controls your overhand throws.  Underhand and side arm is not nearly as bad. 

Bradish had a UCL “sprain” which was treated with a PRP injection, just to be clear. 

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

The masked guy in the background suggests it was during the pandemic. Seems like bowling might be a bad idea with a torn UCL though. Regardless I'm not sure how that proves anything about Bautista. Then again, I am not a master horse trainer. 

Yeah, I didn't understand the connection.  And I saw the mask, too.

[Roll Tide]

50 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, I didn't understand the connection.  And I saw the mask, too.

Something tells me he wouldn’t be hurling a 16 LB bowling ball with a hook if he had a UCL tear. But, what do I know … I wouldn’t bother to argue my athletic credentials with him. 

[Frobby]

10 hours ago, dystopia said:

Bradish had a UCL “sprain” which was treated with a PRP injection, just to be clear. 

A sprain is a tear, though usually a smaller one.  

[BRobinsonfan]

On 7/16/2024 at 8:52 PM, OnlyOneOriole said:

Watching today's game reminds me of last year.  I said it last year in real time to my wife while watching it, and mentioned it on here shortly thereafter.....but when Felix was pitching in last years All Star game and was huffing and puffing and struggling so much? And the AL manager at the time kept leaving him in?   I said that he is over throwing and this scenario is a prime example of how you get a TJ injury.

Sure enough it came on soon after. 

 

Nothing that can be said can change my mind.   That game was the catalyst  of his injury.

How about MRI images two weeks after the game showing no tear?  

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, BRobinsonfan said:

How about MRI images two weeks after the game showing no tear?  

Pretty sure facts won't change his mind.

[orioles119]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Pretty sure facts won't change his mind.

Facts???? This is the internet.  We don't need no stinkin' facts!

[dystopia]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

A sprain is a tear, though usually a smaller one.  

True, although I was under the impression that the PRP injection was to heal the tear before he resumed pitching again. If it did, clearly the ligament was still weak.