Remember-Elias traded Tanner Scott 2 years ago for garbage. Good drafter. Horrible GM when it comes to trades.

[Cheetos]

3 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

BUT THE FACT THAT THIS TRADE HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP MORE OFTEN AS A COMPLETE DISASTER, ESPECIALLY AFTER SO MANY WANTED TO TRADE BACK FOR HIM THIS WEEK?  

You have done an admirable job making up for loss time and opportunities in this thread alone.  Well done, sir.  Well done.

[elextrano8]

1 minute ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

No.  I it is you.  I am spot on.  Trying to spin a false narrative and making the person who doesn't believe the narrative the 'bad guy'.

 

Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and even their sanity.

Honestly, this might be my favorite thread now. Just a dadaist masterpiece

 

[J.D.]

19 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

That was because of the top 3.  Besides that....who is rated highly

 

This is not a serious thread. The revisionist history is a blast and all, but come on. Seriously. Tanner Scott was not a good pitcher in 2022. He was atrocious in 2021. He was not going to make the team. He was 26 and had been given 4 years to showed he belonged. He was not a prospect anymore by any rational definition of the word. He struck out guys but couldn’t stop walking them. You keep referring to K’s per 9 like it’s the only stat that matters. It doesn’t matter for much when he’s also walking 6 per 9 IP. That’s basically Daniel Cabrera. Bullpen versions of Daniel Cabrera don’t have value. That they were able to get anything for 2022 Tanner Scott is great. 
 

Some guys just figure it out after a change of scenery and it took Scott two more years to figure it out. I’m glad for him that he did. He’s going to make a lot of money this fall. But it’s not really fair to criticize the Orioles for giving up on a player they have many chances to. And criticizing them for not developing him when they have a long track record of turning other organizations’ trash relievers into gold is disingenuous. But I kinda feel like this entire thread is just you venting because you didn’t like the trade deadline so you’re nitpicking with other decisions so that you can declare Elias a failure. 

Edited July 31 by J.D.

[Since1984]

What would have been horrible?

Not giving Bautista the roster spot over Tanner, who has only been been good this year. The walks in the playoffs will not and never would have worked. Plus he would need to consult Flaherty’s shrink coming back to an ex.

[OnlyOneOriole]

21 minutes ago, Cuellar35 said:

I wouldn't take any other GM in baseball over Elias.  Period.  Especially given the constraints he is under.  It's relatively easy to be the GM of a big market team like the Dodgers.  You can buy a great team there.  Would you rather have the Mets GM??

I am a big Colts fan.  Maybe bigger than I am an Os fan.    I said the same things I said about Colts GM Chris Ballard 7 years ago that I do about Elias.  They are good drafters but both risk adverse and poor traders.

The Colts have not won a division title since he came on board 8 years ago.  Let alone a SB. 

I will leave it at that.

Edited July 31 by OnlyOneOriole

[OnlyOneOriole]

14 minutes ago, Cheetos said:

You have done an admirable job making up for loss time and opportunities in this thread alone.  Well done, sir.  Well done.

Thanks!  (and yes I know you are being sarcastic).

[Too Tall]

Here's an "oldsters' opinion. This OP was started with an in your face discriptor, "garbage," coupled with a dramatic and totally false labeling of our GM for affect. "Horrible" is way out of bounds IMO. In my view, it's done to generate attention and generally is sussessful. On a site that prides itself demanding, back it up with statistics, this is the anti thread. Yet it keeps going on and on and admittedly I am guilty as well by even writing this. I just however have to say I marvel at the twists and turns over 6 pages now and how many of you think reason could possibly prevail or just feel the need for the last word. Carry on and good luck.

[OnlyOneOriole]

14 minutes ago, J.D. said:

 

This is not a serious thread. The revisionist history is a blast and all, but come on. Seriously. Tanner Scott was not a good pitcher in 2022. He was atrocious in 2021. He was not going to make the team. He was 26 and had been given 4 years to showed he belonged. He was not a prospect anymore by any rational definition of the word. He struck out guys but couldn’t stop walking them. You keep referring to K’s per 9 like it’s the only stat that matters. It doesn’t matter for much when he’s also walking 6 per 9 IP. That’s basically Daniel Cabrera. Bullpen versions of Daniel Cabrera don’t have value. That they were able to get anything for 2022 Tanner Scott is great. 
 

Some guys just figure it out after a change of scenery and it took Scott two more years to figure it out. I’m glad for him that he did. He’s going to make a lot of money this fall. But it’s not really fair to criticize the Orioles for giving up on a player they have many chances to. And criticizing them for not developing him when they have a long track record of turning other organizations’ trash relievers into gold is disingenuous. But I kinda feel like this entire thread is just you venting because you didn’t like the trade deadline so you’re nitpicking with other decisions so that you can declare Elias a failure. 

Again, stay on topic.  Please just tell me who besides SB, JH, and CM are rated highly in the Os farm system?  Bradford?  And please don't mention any pitchers.  Of which there are basically none.   We are pretty barren outside of those guys.

[OnlyOneOriole]

9 minutes ago, Since1984 said:

What would have been horrible?

Not giving Bautista the roster spot over Tanner, who has only been been good this year. The walks in the playoffs will not and never would have worked. Plus he would need to consult Flaherty’s shrink coming back to an ex.

So it was Bautista or Tanner?  That was the only choice?

[oriolediehard]

2 hours ago, gtman55 said:

While I'm not thrilled with some of Elias's moves, the OP's take is WAY over the top.

What does OP stand for?

[Br10n]

21 minutes ago, J.D. said:

 

This is not a serious thread. The revisionist history is a blast and all, but come on. Seriously. Tanner Scott was not a good pitcher in 2022. He was atrocious in 2021. He was not going to make the team. He was 26 and had been given 4 years to showed he belonged. He was not a prospect anymore by any rational definition of the word. He struck out guys but couldn’t stop walking them. You keep referring to K’s per 9 like it’s the only stat that matters. It doesn’t matter for much when he’s also walking 6 per 9 IP. That’s basically Daniel Cabrera. Bullpen versions of Daniel Cabrera don’t have value. That they were able to get anything for 2022 Tanner Scott is great. 
 

Some guys just figure it out after a change of scenery and it took Scott two more years to figure it out. I’m glad for him that he did. He’s going to make a lot of money this fall. But it’s not really fair to criticize the Orioles for giving up on a player they have many chances to. And criticizing them for not developing him when they have a long track record of turning other organizations’ trash relievers into gold is disingenuous. But I kinda feel like this entire thread is just you venting because you didn’t like the trade deadline so you’re nitpicking with other decisions so that you can declare Elias a failure. 

Well said!

[OnlyOneOriole]

9 minutes ago, Too Tall said:

Here's an "oldsters' opinion. This OP was started with an in your face discriptor, "garbage," coupled with a dramatic and totally false labeling of our GM for affect. "Horrible" is way out of bounds IMO. In my view, it's done to generate attention and generally is sussessful. On a site that prides itself demanding, back it up with statistics, this is the anti thread. Yet it keeps going on and on and admittedly I am guilty as well by even writing this. I just however have to say I marvel at the twists and turns over 6 pages now and how many of you think reason could possibly prevail or just feel the need for the last word. Carry on and good luck.

Just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't mean I am doing it for "attention" as you put it.

I could care less about that.

What is more important is why  the media and the fans have let Elias get away with one of the worst trades in Os history.   Even in the trade thread this year...............no one mentioned that we literally gave Tanner away 2 years ago.  But many were very eager to give the Marlins a top prospect....or two....for the very guy that was just given away. 

It is a very odd spin to say the least. 

Edited July 31 by OnlyOneOriole

[Jagwar]

TLDR

Scott wasn't this good when the O's traded him, and he wasn't trending upwards. What am I missing here

[OnlyOneOriole]

2 minutes ago, Jagwar said:

TLDR

Scott wasn't this good when the O's traded him, and he wasn't trending upwards. What am I missing here

What do you consider trending up?

 

In 2019, Scott appeared in 28 games only and posted an ERA of 4.78 in 26+1⁄3 innings with 37 strikeouts. In 2020 for the Orioles, Scott pitched to a superb 1.31 ERA to go along with 23 strikeouts in 20+2⁄3 innings pitched over 25 games.

[scbalt52]

1 minute ago, Jagwar said:

TLDR

Scott wasn't this good when the O's traded him, and he wasn't trending upwards. What am I missing here

Nothing, Scott wasn't even average. He couldn't find a spot on a poor team's bullpen even when given countless chances. Current Bryan Baker>Tanner Scott at the time of the trade. And Baker could be released today and it wouldn't bother me.