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7 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Was Norby & Stowers not enough to get Kikuchi? That's my issue with the trade: Norby & Stowers only gets you Rogers? That package doesn't get us a better arm at the deadline?

 

Rogers is more valuable than Kikuchi due to the two years of control. 

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Putting any stock into his start tonight, his first day with a new team, a new catcher and not having any time with the pitching coaches is silly. Give him a few turns through the order, then blow you

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So you're just completely discounting the possibility that the O's are working on specific things with him and told him to ignore results that first start? I'm not sure why you would knowing what we k

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The Trevor Rogers outrage on here is hilarious and over the top. 

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22 minutes ago, MCO'sFan said:

There is no way to know if Elias could have done better. He did say the price of pitching went up drastically between the Eflin and Rogers trades. It may turn out to be a bad trade but we will never know what the other options were. 

This is true. In past regimes there would occasionally be leaks come out about such things but ME seems to have plugged them. 

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9 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Was Norby & Stowers not enough to get Kikuchi? That's my issue with the trade: Norby & Stowers only gets you Rogers? That package doesn't get us a better arm at the deadline?

 

Most people thought the Astros way overpaid for Kikuchi, so I don’t think so.

 

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Gregory Soto looked terrible right after the trade.  The O's coaching staff helped him make some adjustments and now he is putting up scoreless outings.

I think we have to give the O's coaching staff time to work with Rogers.  We will not know what he can be with the O's until some time next season IMO.

Glad to hear Norby is doing well.  The best kind of trades are the ones that work for both teams.   That way they will be glad to work together in the future on other trades.

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1 hour ago, ScGO's said:

Was Norby & Stowers not enough to get Kikuchi? That's my issue with the trade: Norby & Stowers only gets you Rogers? That package doesn't get us a better arm at the deadline?

 

It's tough enough to see what Norby (so far ) is doing in Miami it would be even harder seeing that done with Toronto 

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6 minutes ago, Baseball fandom said:

Disgraceful 

So you're just completely discounting the possibility that the O's are working on specific things with him and told him to ignore results that first start? I'm not sure why you would knowing what we know about the Orioles development/pitching lab. 

1st start in Norfolk: 4.1 IP, 10 ER
2nd start in Norfolk: 6 IP, 2 ER

 

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6 minutes ago, interloper said:

So you're just completely discounting the possibility that the O's are working on specific things with him and told him to ignore results that first start? I'm not sure why you would knowing what we know about the Orioles development/pitching lab. 

1st start in Norfolk: 4.1 IP, 10 ER
2nd start in Norfolk: 6 IP, 2 ER

 

I hope he succeed good grief that's one decent minor league start. Also you cannot tell me the Orioles acquired him with the thought he wasn't going to be of help to this year's team also besides the next 2. Not buying that. 

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14 minutes ago, Baseball fandom said:

Not if he doesn't get his act together he's not. Who wants a really bad pitcher for 2 more years 

Obviously no one wants that. But Kikuchi averages about 1 WAR and was three months from free agency. Yes, it is possible that he completely washes out but he has a track record of being a decent pitcher with 3.5 WAR upside and 1.3 WAR just prior to the trade. I like the odds of Rogers next two years outperforming 3 months of Kikuchi, although Kikuchi is off to a nice start for HOU.

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17 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Obviously no one wants that. But Kikuchi averages about 1 WAR and was three months from free agency. Yes, it is possible that he completely washes out but he has a track record of being a decent pitcher with 3.5 WAR upside and 1.3 WAR just prior to the trade. I like the odds of Rogers next two years outperforming 3 months of Kikuchi, although Kikuchi is off to a nice start for HOU.

I have tons of respect for Houston, but if this Kikuchi guy is the missing starter for this team, (ala JM and Evoldi last year for Texas), I will bow down to them.

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2 hours ago, interloper said:

So you're just completely discounting the possibility that the O's are working on specific things with him and told him to ignore results that first start? I'm not sure why you would knowing what we know about the Orioles development/pitching lab. 

1st start in Norfolk: 4.1 IP, 10 ER
2nd start in Norfolk: 6 IP, 2 ER

 

You are talking to a brick wall

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On 8/25/2024 at 10:12 PM, EddeeEddee said:

The point is Rogers was pretty good in June and July.  That's why Elias pulled the trigger.  But it didn't work out, and we lost Norby who could have been a good a piece in a better trade and helping us now.  It was an iffy gamble that didn't work out -- at least not for this season. 

 

I’m reminded a little bit of the Bud Norris trade.  He was quite mediocre for us the year we acquired him at the deadline (86 ERA*).   Then the next year he was a big contributor to our AL East championship team (108 ERA+).   He totally screwed the pooch his third year (58 ERA+) and we released him before the season was over.   So, he wasn’t completely worthless over his three year tenure but he certainly didn’t help us two years out of three.  I hope we’ll get more out of Rogers, but we’ll see.  

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2 hours ago, Baseball fandom said:

I hope he succeed good grief that's one decent minor league start. Also you cannot tell me the Orioles acquired him with the thought he wasn't going to be of help to this year's team also besides the next 2. Not buying that. 

Means gave up 7 runs in 1 inning in his first AAA start this year and had another start where he gave up 5 runs in less than an inning. Kremer gave up 11 ER in 8.2 IP in his rehab stint this summer and has been fine since getting back to the O's.

So yeah it's just one decent minor league start for Rogers, but it's also just one blowup minor league start which we shouldn't overreact to. 

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