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I guess we will have to just agree to disagree.

Marquis has a lower ERA than Guthrie. He has given up 6 just 6 homers in 12 starts. He has a good K/B ratio. I'd say he'd be a good option.

You want to bring a guy like this in who 1 yr older than Guthrie with nowhere close the talent? Guthrie is far superior.

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I guess we will have to just agree to disagree.

Marquis has a lower ERA than Guthrie. He has given up 6 just 6 homers in 12 starts. He has a good K/B ratio. I'd say he'd be a good option.

You are really citing ERA of an NL pitcher as an argument against a starter in the AL East? What are their FIPs and other cooky stats? How about how Marquis wasn't very good last year.

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You are really citing ERA of an NL pitcher as an argument against a starter in the AL East? What are their FIPs and other cooky stats? How about how Marquis wasn't very good last year.

Very true. But Guts wasn't very good a couple years ago either, after the WBC. Isn't the WBC coming up again this coming off-season. Do you think he'll play again? I realize there's nothing definitive that says the WBC caused his struggles that season.

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You are really citing ERA of an NL pitcher as an argument against a starter in the AL East? What are their FIPs and other cooky stats? How about how Marquis wasn't very good last year.

Alonso + a prospect or two & Marquis is greater than Guthrie ...Bottom line.

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To get an extra run a game for Matusz , Britton , and Arrieta it would be worth pitching any 2 of the following of Bergesen , Tillman, Jak , Simon , Berken , Patton, Hendrickson, etc, until the Bundy's arrive ( 2013 & 2014 ).

Take the Guthrie/Vlad/Scott savings and buy another bat ( Lee's money will be going toward Jones and Hardy ).

Win 3 of out of every 5 , and you will be in the playoffs.

That said I would like more than just Alonso. I think Guthrie should bring a Jones/Tillman and possibly Mickolio return (less than Bedard, but not much - Tillman was in A ). Given the extra year of service and 2 picks for the acquiring team why would he not be worth similar to half a year of Cliff Lee ? ( I know Seattle gave up something else to get Smoak plus some others - by the way who and how are the others in that deal doing, and what did Texas draft with the picks )

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List of 2012 free agent starters:

Mark Buehrle CWS

Chris Carpenter STL *

Aaron Cook COL *

Kyle Davies KC

Zach Duke ARI

Edwin Jackson CWS

Scott Kazmir LAA *

Paul Maholm PIT

Jason Marquis WAS

Scott Olsen PIT *

Roy Oswalt PHI *

Oliver Perez NYM

Joel Pineiro LAA

Brian Tallet STL

Tim Wakefield BOS

C.J. Wilson TEX

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/04/potential-free-agents-for-2012.html

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Nick is at a cross roads because the media is harping on his lack of XBH and lack of production. I would say he is challenging his salary. If he is not fighting an undisclosed injury, he is flirting with a terrible signing. His defense has been decent, his offense, not so much for the media. Is that fair? Doesn't matter when you make 12.5 million. I tend to agree. Produce or die is my world. If I tank a year after a nice raise, I am unemployed. Now nice to me is 200k total salary, so different worlds, but if I under-perform, I am out. Maybe pro sports need to have that mantra. Will I be picked up if I am let go? Yep, similar in that regard to Nick. Obviously the pressure is reduced for Nick or maybe he is pressing too much? When I played sports, the usual motivations were frequently negative. So at the end of this post, I am completely torn as to a solution. Let him go? He flourishes elsewhere. Keep him and he continues to struggle. How to snap out without upsetting? In Buck we trust.

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Nick is at a cross roads because the media is harping on his lack of XBH and lack of production. I would say he is challenging his salary. If he is not fighting an undisclosed injury, he is flirting with a terrible signing. His defense has been decent, his offense, not so much for the media. Is that fair? Doesn't matter when you make 12.5 million. I tend to agree. Produce or die is my world. If I tank a year after a nice raise, I am unemployed. Now nice to me is 200k total salary, so different worlds, but if I under-perform, I am out. Maybe pro sports need to have that mantra. Will I be picked up if I am let go? Yep, similar in that regard to Nick. Obviously the pressure is reduced for Nick or maybe he is pressing too much? When I played sports, the usual motivations were frequently negative. So at the end of this post, I am completely torn as to a solution. Let him go? He flourishes elsewhere. Keep him and he continues to struggle. How to snap out without upsetting? In Buck we trust.

Did you get into gurgi's Ambien? :D

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Did you get into gurgi's Ambien? :D

No just some great merlot. Same same possibly, though I prefer the more au natural approach. I formulated a response to a thread, clicked on the wrong one and let fly. It happens. My apologies. Lather rinse repeat.

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:rofl:

I guess we will have to just agree to disagree.

Marquis has a lower ERA than Guthrie. He has given up 6 just 6 homers in 12 starts. He has a good K/B ratio. I'd say he'd be a good option.

While I think you can come up with a decent #4 or #5 starter in free agency for $10M a year, I wouldn't really be advocating a 32-year-old who has a NL-exclusive 4.53 career ERA whose "good" 2011 performance is still below league average. Marquis is a back-end pitcher. He's Kevin Millwood. He's a year removed from 13 starts and a 6.60.

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Marquis?

lololololol

NL. He's terrible.

Career:

1.426 WHIP

4.53 ERA

He stinks compared to Guts. It's not even close.

I didnt say he was Guthrie ...Without looking at a list of available guys I came up with a name you could sign to be a backend starter to justify trading Guthrie for Alonsoor some comparable and a couple other players.

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