No Surprise! Roberts likely done for season

[cindyluvsbrady]

I'm getting sick of seeing Cindy neg repping people, just because someone says something against about her Great One. It's a message board, where people give their opinions. Time to stop acting so childish. Maybe I should have posted this in the rants section.

Go Ahead..HATE ME!!

I dont not care:(

I decide who I love:)

I am a faithful fan.....to the end

BELIEVE

[Austin]

Go Ahead..HATE ME!!

I dont not care:(

I decide who I love:)

I am a faithful fan.....to the end

Why are you playing the victim? You're the one neg repping people for having a constructive conversation about Brian Roberts. This is a forum for baseball discussion.

Back on topic, I said this in another thread but I'm pretty sure this is the end of the road for Brian Roberts, the impact player. Over the last two years he's played in less than one hundred games and has an OPS under .700. I'm certainly rooting for him to get healthy and rejoin the team but he'll be 34 come October, what can we realistically expect from him going forward? The O's have got to be looking for a permanent solution at second base.

EDIT: As usual, thanks for the neg rep Cindy.

[nadecir]

If Brian Roberts does retire, does he hold the record for having played his entire major league career of 11 seasons with one team, and to never experience a winning season in those 11 years? Ernie Banks had 10 consecutive losing seasons with the Cubs until they had a winning season.

I really hope that Brian Roberts does get to play on a winning team before he does have to retire.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Hold on, I thought Roberts got hurt sliding into 3rd or something, are you telling me this was from him hitting himself in the head with a bat???

He aggravated it this year by sliding into first, but the original injury was supposedly when he hit himself in the head with the bat in disgust after striking out.

[Aglets]

I think Roberts' lack of desire to play on a losing team might have something to do with it.

Remember how he didn't return until Showalter took over last year? The timing seemed a bit odd there. Why was he out until August?

And then he has another "setback" this season after his OPS slips to .604 and the Orioles have sunk to 5th place again. Again, interesting timing.

It seems once Roberts got into his guaranteed $10 million a year seasons like he is now, he was on the field less and less and the more the Orioles lost, the longer it would take him to return.

And now that the Orioles season is basically done, Brian himself has no desire to come back to play for a loser IMO and the offseason moves will dictate if he retires or actually wants to come back and play.

You come up with a lot of hair brained schemes on here oh One Who Sees. It's a shame that it takes several board members on here to counteract the lies and deceit. I find it extremely insulting and offensive that you would question the dedication of one of this team's longest tenured players, who has become a fan favorite, and an All Star. But while offensive, and ridiculous, it is your opinion. I can't stand it when people lie though.

I'll handle this one.

It is an outright LIE to say that Roberts waited for Showalter to come on board before he played again.

Roberts first game back after his extended on the DL was on JULY 23, 2010.

Showalter took over as manager on August 3rd.

Stop lying please.

[Austin]

If Brian Roberts does retire, does he hold the record for having played his entire major league career of 11 seasons with one team, and to never experience a winning season in those 11 years? Ernie Banks had 10 consecutive losing seasons with the Cubs until they had a winning season.

That's a good one, seems like a question for Drungo. Pretty lame the guy couldn't play for one winning team in his career, though he chose to sign an extension here and he probably should have known what he was getting himself into.

[Birds of B'more]

That's a good one, seems like a question for Drungo. Pretty lame the guy couldn't play for one winning team in his career, though he chose to sign an extension here and he probably should have known what he was getting himself into.

A good place to start might be the rosters of the 1933-48 Phillies, who held the record for most consecutive losing seasons until the Pirates broke it in 2009.

[JTrea81]

It is an outright LIE to say that Roberts waited for Showalter to come on board before he played again.

Roberts first game back after his extended on the DL was on JULY 23, 2010.

Showalter took over as manager on August 3rd.

Stop lying please.

Roberts knew Showalter was likely going to be taking over as soon as the 17th:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/orioles-showalter-close-to-terms.html

Buck was hired on July 29th even though he didn't take over until August 3rd.

And pardon me if I question the effort of a player who has admitted to dogging it in the past and who has been repeatedly called out for dogging it in the field by people on this board.

The effects of injuries have been exaggerated before by baseball players, so it's not a stretch to think Roberts could be "playing it safe" because he doesn't want to come back to a losing team.

Would you want to come back to play for a 5th place team with nowhere to go if you were guaranteed 10 million per season for the next two years anyway?

[Aglets]

Roberts knew Showalter was likely going to be taking over as soon as the 17th:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/orioles-showalter-close-to-terms.html

Buck was hired on July 29th even though he didn't take over until August 3rd.

Except that's not what you said. At all.

You said, and I quote:

Remember how he didn't return until Showalter took over last year? The timing seemed a bit odd there. Why was he out until August?

There are actually TWO lies in here. He returned BEFORE Showalter took over. AND he returned BEFORE August.

If you try to pass it off as an honest mistake........I would be more inclined to let it go.

If you try to twist what you said and make it look like you were right all along.......that creates an issue.

[OFFNY]

In the land of the Cindy, the concussed Roberts is king.

The strange thing is, you are actually showing more concern and compassion for Roberts than someone who just cares about the Orioles winning games. Right now, the man is physically hurting, and because of the many horror stories that we have heard about other athletes that have suffered multiple concussions with long-term effects, you would like to see him protect himself, retire, and take his place in the Orioles Hall-Of-Fame. It's somewhat similar to a fan of an aging boxer wanting him to retire while he still has his health intact, rather than go on fighting for more glory in spite of the high percentage risks to his health if he continues (fighting).

I'm not necessarily saying that Roberts is finished, and that his concussion is necessarily career-ending ............ he very well may be back next season and fully recovered with little or no risk to his long-term health. BUT ........ it is also possible that his concussion may be damaging enough so as to make a comeback a high risk to his health. We don't know that yet, and only time will tell. But your sentiment about wanting him to retire to make sure that he doesn't wind up with long-term health issues certainly is NOT negative.

[JTrea81]

Except that's not what you said. At all.

You said, and I quote:

There are actually TWO lies in here. He returned BEFORE Showalter took over. AND he returned BEFORE August.

If you try to pass it off as an honest mistake........I would be more inclined to let it go.

If you try to twist what you said and make it look like you were right all along.......that creates an issue.

I was wrong about August and before Showalter took over. But the intent was there - Roberts wasn't coming back from injury until the Orioles were committed to winning again.

I think Roberts is allergic to losing and I think we are seeing those allergies get the best of him again.

And he's got the perfect cover if you think about it. Who would question the effects of a concussion and the migrane headaches, which BTW Showalter keeps hearing are unrelated to the concussion?

Apparently me, but I'm definitely in the minority here.

Roberts can rest up, stay away from the losing, and decide if he wants to play next year based on if the Orioles are committed to winning or not.

I'm sorry to be cynical here, but Roberts has his money, and he's dogged it in the past on a losing team. To me prolonging his concussion symptoms so he doesn't have to experience the losing and gets to instead spend time with his wife seems right in his wheelhouse. And quite frankly I can't blame him if that's the case...

[Aglets]

Roberts knew Showalter was likely going to be taking over as soon as the 17th:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/orioles-showalter-close-to-terms.html

Buck was hired on July 29th even though he didn't take over until August 3rd.

And pardon me if I question the effort of a player who has admitted to dogging it in the past and who has been repeatedly called out for dogging it in the field by people on this board.

The effects of injuries have been exaggerated before by baseball players, so it's not a stretch to think Roberts could be "playing it safe" because he doesn't want to come back to a losing team.

Would you want to come back to play for a 5th place team with nowhere to go if you were guaranteed 10 million per season for the next two years anyway?

Guess I'll reply to this second part now since you edited in some more comments after I replied the first time.

If your logic is that

"Players have exaggerated injuries before......therefore it's possible Roberts could be playing it safe and not playing in 2011."

Then I can't say that you're wrong. It's certainly possible. Carl Pavano certainly milked some injuries in his time in New York. Are you suggesting that the actions of other players impact what B Rob is doing now? I find that logic leap a bit too large for me, but if that's what you think, that's fine.

My personal opinion is more based on what is specific to Brian Roberts' current condition. Actual concussion like symptoms. He was examined by a specialist in Pittsburgh numerous times over 1.5 months or so........the specialist would not LET him participate in baseball activities.

In my mind, that lends credence to the notion that he is still recovering. Furthermore, have you heard of Justin Morneau?

and as to this part:

Would you want to come back to play for a 5th place team with nowhere to go if you were guaranteed 10 million per season for the next two years anyway?

Of course I would. Because I would be a professional athlete under contract to a team. That's what I signed up for, to be a baseball player. I would not quit on a team because they are not performing well. Maybe you would.......that's your perogative. I was taught differently.

[SrMeowMeow]

I was wrong about August and before Showalter took over. But the intent was there - Roberts wasn't coming back from injury until the Orioles were committed to winning again.

I think Roberts is allergic to losing and I think we are seeing those allergies get the best of him again.

And he's got the perfect cover if you think about it. Who would question the effects of a concussion and the migrane headaches, which BTW Showalter keeps hearing are unrelated to the concussion?

Apparently me, but I'm definitely in the minority here.

Roberts can rest up, stay away from the losing, and decide if he wants to play next year based on if the Orioles are committed to winning or not.

It would not shock me if Roberts turned out to have accelerated his timetable because he was excited to play under Buck. But how can you in good conscience state the bolded as fact like you did? Doesn't that bother you at all?

[Gurgi]

Roberts is notorious for not playing hard when the season is getting away. That said I doubt he is faking anything now because the Orioles suck.

One possible outcome that might be good. That Roberts and his back might have had a good chance to heal up totally for the huge long time he has had off. If his head can recover totally he might be able to come back and have a season or two at a high enough level. Seems unlikely but it could happen.

I had a concussion that gave me vertigo off and on for about a year. It finally went mostly away except for a rare event. After three years it was gone totally.

So there is hope for Roberts.

[JTrea81]

It would not shock me if Roberts turned out to have accelerated his timetable because he was excited to play under Buck. But how can you in good conscience state the bolded as fact like you did? Doesn't that bother you at all?

I'm not stating it as a fact that Roberts is milking his injuries, just that that was the intent of my opinion earlier.