Edwin Jackson: Interested?

[oriolesacox]

I think Jackson is gonna cost to much for the O's taste. I would much rather go after Chen. The one guy im very very interested in that no one is talking about is Hisashi Iwakuma. The A's paid $19.1 million in posting fee's to negotiate with Iwakuma last winter. He sits in the 91-93 mph range but can touch 96 mph. He has a deceptive delivery and has a nice arsenal including a nasty forkball thats unhittable at times. I would love to see us go out and land Chen and Iwakuma. Here are a couple Vids of Iwakuma.

[video=youtube_share;kgLjgoIf4CY]http://youtu.be/kgLjgoIf4CY

[video=youtube_share;8d3t27GaLsA]http://youtu.be/8d3t27GaLsA

I would certainly be interested at the right price but looking at the numbers it appears that Wada is better than Iwakuma. (At least last season)

Iwakuma http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker&id=iwakum001his#standard_pitching::none

Wada http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker&id=wada--001tsu#standard_pitching::none

[RavNMadMan]

The O's should be interested in every pitcher in baseball.

Only the good ones, Jackson fits the bill. Ideally, he is MOR guy (3) on a good team. Would be a good addition IMO.

[jabba72]

As I have said, Jackson is a better pitcher than Guthrie but I am not sure I would expect better results than what Guthrie has given us.

8-12 wins, 3.8-4.25 ERA. That is what I would expect from Jackson.

His peripherals would likely be better than Guthrie but seeing as Guthrie outperforms his peripherals usually, I just don't see a difference in actual results.

I would be fine with a 2 year deal....a 3 year deal is tolerable(no more than 10M per)...anything beyond that is poor.

Problem is Jackson will sign with a number of teams before Baltimore if all we offer is the going rate. We need to outbid another team for his services, assuming Jackson has legitimate interest from other clubs.

[mikegallo]

I think it's a good comparison but only over the past 3 years rather than their whole careers. Here's the Fangraphs article that compares the two of them:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-danks-the-left-handed-edwin-jackson/

The core of the article is taking these rates over the past 3 years (sorry for the formatting):

Name BB% K% GB% ERA- FIP- xFIP-

Jackson 7.9 18.5 44.0 93 92 95

Danks 7.7 18.2 44.5 90 92 96

Jackson has been a very solid pitcher for three consecutive seasons and anything in the annual 10-12MM range would probably be a good deal. He's young enough that 3 years shouldn't be too concerning, and if the 4th year is on a 4 yr, 36-42MM deal I would still think that's worthwhile.

Yupp that was the article I was refering to and of course the last three years is a much better gauge of how the pitchers are now versus eight years ago...Now as I said look at the contract Danks just got versus what Edwin is expected to get.

I would argue Jackson is more important to us than Danks is to the White Sox in terms of impact on our team.

I thinkthis is a good move for us as long as the contract doesn't get crazy....Unlike others on the board I think that him with the Dana and Wada which were very good pick ups for us, we have the making of a deep staff with some upside.

Guthrie, Edwin, Britton, Wada and another Hunter or Dana or Jake is the makings of a nice starting five even though if I had my way we would trade Guthrie after signing Edwin...

Now all we need to do is upgrade our D in a real way and I think our team could surprise alot of people.

By the way just saw that Danas curvball is very similar to gio gonzalaz and erik bedards CB according to pitch fx I think he may turn out to be a very good pickup for us.

[REDMAN]

If we could get him for about three years 27 million.

[section18]

We should pass on Jackson. Players who move around a lot usually do for a reason. There is something about him that apparently doesn't sit well with coaches on each of his teams. We can't afford to gamble on him.

[weams]

If we could get him for about three years 27 million.

We need pitching with upside, however we acquire it. If we waste money, we should waste it on pitching with upside. If we over pay, we should over pay for pitching with upside. If we go an extra year, it should be for pitching with upside. The Markakis and Roberts contracts were not the correct allocation of our limited resources. If we nivest, gamble, take a chance, it needs to always be for pitching with upside.

[clapdiddy]

We need pitching with upside, however we acquire it. If we waste money, we should waste it on pitching with upside. If we over pay, we should over pay for pitching with upside. If we go an extra year, it should be for pitching with upside. The Markakis and Roberts contracts were not the correct allocation of our limited resources. If we nivest, gamble, take a chance, it needs to always be for pitching with upside.

Would you consider Jackson "pitching with upside"?

[REDMAN]

Would you consider Jackson "pitching with upside"?

Almost any pitcher would be an upside on the orioles with Guthrie as your number 1 starter.

[mikegallo]

We need starting pitching so bad that I would be willing to give him up to 4 years and 50 million...do you guys realize our starters were historically bad in terms of relative to the rest of the league this guy has been almost a 4 win pitcher the last three years very consistent too....I would argue he would improve are team more than any in the league I mean were looking at a 6 win swing in WAR..

That is superstar, all world type swing in WAR, if theres any team in the league who should overpay for pitching its us...please get this guy DD please...

By the way we also had the worst D in the league so unless we improve that this is a waste and we might as well forfiet anyway.

Our weakness of pitching and D, our the most glaring weaknesses in the league and I hope DD can see it...I am sure he can thats why he got Endy who has more value to us than any team in the league .

DD please upgrade our defense please please please if they start Mark Reynolds at third at all this year (more than ten games anyway) we are the dumbest team in the league and if I am an orioles pitcher I am asking for a trade right away or I am going on the DL with depression...

[Sports Guy]

Problem is Jackson will sign with a number of teams before Baltimore if all we offer is the going rate. We need to outbid another team for his services, assuming Jackson has legitimate interest from other clubs.

Right....He is going to get a 3/30 type deal from a good team. We will need to go higher..or, in other words, do something stupid.

[weams]

Would you consider Jackson "pitching with upside"?

I do. And if we were to do something stupid, I hope it would be for the attempt at pitching with upside.

[mikegallo]

Right....He is going to get a 3/30 type deal from a good team. We will need to go higher..or, in other words, do something stupid.

We should go 4/44 then, unless you want to see our 5.32 starters ERA again and another 95 losses..or we can sign him and get 200 innings of 4,2 ERA he's gonna give us with a 3.5 xFip cuz our D is god awful.

[TradeAngelos]

Right....He is going to get a 3/30 type deal from a good team. We will need to go higher..or, in other words, do something stupid.

Because we know giving him say 3/36 and spending that extra $2 million a year would just cripple this franchise. Or that extra year at 4/40-42 million....devastating.

[El Gordo]

Jackson has been worth 16.8 M per, the last 3 years. At 28 I doubt he declines. So any contract at 10-13 M per should be well worth it, IMO.