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Mussina elected to Orioles Hall of Fame! (Also Dauer and Youse) w/Mussina reaction

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Are you happy that Mussina was elected to the Orioles Hall of Fame?  

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  1. 1. Are you happy that Mussina was elected to the Orioles Hall of Fame?

    • Yes - he deserved it based on his pitching, so he should be in
      212
    • No - he was disloyal and should have been kept out
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I am curious to see the split of opinion here. Note that I did not ask if Mussina "deserves" to be in the Orioles Hall of Fame. To me, it is very obvious that he deserves to be. But even so, I am not surprised that some people are unhappy about it. I'm just wondering if those people are in the majority.

Not thrilled.

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I'm with Tony. Besides, this Orioles HOF isn't exactly Cooperstown, anyway. I'd hardly call it a big deal anymore. To me, the real Orioles HOF is the numbers hanging on the facade and standing outside Eutaw Street. He'll never make it there. I'd have preferred if he didn't make the brick wall back there either.

See, I have no trouble with the fact that Mussina will never be immortalized with the 6 people who have their numbers on Eutaw Street and will have statues unveiled this summer. In that case, his decision to leave the team disqualifies him, even if he gets elected to Cooperstown in a few years and even if Cooperstown puts him in an Orioles hat. But the idea of an Orioles Hall of Fame that includes the likes of (just to pick one) Chris Hoiles and doesn't include Mussina is just preposterous to me.

By the way, Tony, I was studying the Orioles Hall of Fame list, and it includes Bobby Grich. Was he not a player developed by the Orioles who became an all-star and then left via free agency? In fact, he got out of Baltimore as soon as he was eligible, unlike Mussina, who re-upped with the Orioles in a team-friendly deal for three years when he could have made more money elsewhere. And unlike Mussina, Grich left a team that was actually good. So I guess for you it comes down to the fact that Mussina went to the Yankees, not the Angels?

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I'm with Tony. Besides, this Orioles HOF isn't exactly Cooperstown, anyway. I'd hardly call it a big deal anymore. To me, the real Orioles HOF is the numbers hanging on the facade and standing outside Eutaw Street. He'll never make it there. I'd have preferred if he didn't make the brick wall back there either.[/QU

Really? This surprises me coming from you. Other than the baseball hall of famers the Orioles have had a lot of great players come through this organization. I'm happy and grateful that there is a place for us to acknowledge guys like Flanagan, Powell, Singleton, McNally, et al. We've had a lot of great players in this organization.

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I'm with Tony. Besides, this Orioles HOF isn't exactly Cooperstown, anyway. I'd hardly call it a big deal anymore. To me, the real Orioles HOF is the numbers hanging on the facade and standing outside Eutaw Street. He'll never make it there. I'd have preferred if he didn't make the brick wall back there either.

John (and Tony), I'll never forget the crushing feeling of Mike's move north. It was so bad I couldn't think straight. Anger, frustration...yadayada.

I despise the Yanks. Mike was always my favorite, a Pennsylvania boy like me. But, if he came back, explained his "betrayal" in front of a

Camden crowd AND promised to go the real Hall wearing an O's cap.....I'd forgive him. That's a tall order but I'm hoping for something along those lines.

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I am not going to bother repeating my rebuttals to your views, Tony. They have appeared in many other threads. I will simply say this: Mussina was the second-best pitcher in the history of the Orioles, and if you are going to have an Orioles Hall of Fame without him, it is a joke.

I agree as well.

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