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Forget since he returned, these are his numbers since 2011 .211/.260/.294/.555. I realize some of the fans want to believe the old Brian Roberts will return, but it's quite clear that the player Roberts is now is far from the guy that was a key member of the team.

I suspect that you are correct, and that Brian Roberts will never again be an adequate major league player. But given the lack of good options at 2B, I have no problem with giving him a month to see if he can prove me wrong.

If his OPS is still below .600 after a month and he shows no signs of improvement then it will be time to pull the plug, and if the team doesn't do it, we will have good reasons to be upset with their misplaced loyalty (or lack of understanding of sunk costs).

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Didn't he play 17 games last year? Didn't we have a winning record and make the playoffs?

His logic is that the O's were under .500 while Roberts was on the roster last season.

Also the 2009 WBC Team USA had a losing record after he joined the team.

(I do not subscribe to his point of view)

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His logic is that the O's were under .500 while Roberts was on the roster last season.

Also the 2009 WBC Team USA had a losing record after he joined the team.

(I do not subscribe to his point of view)

So his stance is, during the 17 games Roberts played last year, we had a losing record? Hence he never participated on a winning team and since he didn't play in the playoffs, he don't count there either? Makes sense to me now. Thanks for clearing that up.

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His logic is that the O's were under .500 while Roberts was on the roster last season.

Also the 2009 WBC Team USA had a losing record after he joined the team.

(I do not subscribe to his point of view)

Roberts played 44 games for the 79-65 Ottawa Lynx in 2003. I don't know how to find out if they were 3-41 with Roberts in the lineup and 76-24 otherwise, but I suspect this to be the case.

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Ryan Flaherty is 27 and may have a future.

Brian Roberts is 36 and will play his last game in a ML uniform sometime this year.

Flaherty had an excellent June (297 .333 .486 .820) with 4 HR's 10RBIs and 8RS in 22 games (O's went 12-1).

Brian Roberts will never again have a 22 game stretch that mathces Flaherty's June

10 RBI in 22 games? Wow, he should have been AL player of the month for that!

Look, I don't have a crystal ball, but Flaherty didn't really set the bar that high. And I'm glad you can just sweep Flaherty's .484 OPS from April and May under the rug, but I can't. I think BRob is likely to outhit Flaherty by a substantial margin for the rest of the year. That's just my opinion. Unlike you, I don't make pronouncements about what will happen in the future.

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10 RBI in 22 games? Wow, he should have been AL player of the month for that!

Look, I don't have a crystal ball, but Flaherty didn't really set the bar that high. And I'm glad you can just sweep Flaherty's .484 OPS from April and May under the rug, but I can't. I think BRob is likely to outhit Flaherty by a substantial margin for the rest of the year. That's just my opinion. Unlike you, I don't make pronouncements about what will happen in the future.

Based on what exactly?

Roberts .555 OPS since 2011?

Roberts .480 OPS since he came back?

Should we mention defense as well? Do you think a 26 yr old Flaherty isn't going to be better than an almost 36 yr Roberts?

35 soon to be 36 year olds are NOT going to get better as time/season goes on, they are going to erode at light speed.

Lots of young MLB players struggle early on in their career, Flaherty is no exception. But when they throw up an .820 OPS month the last thing you do is bench them for a guy like Roberts. Because it IS possible, that the guy in his dead prime and ripe for peak performance can keep that going, while the 35 year old who hasn't put up even the horrible numbers the 26 year old has at his worst, is going to be better.

I mean even the "horrendous" hitting of Flaherty of the past 2 years has accumulated a .620 OPS. Roberts at his BEST the past 4 years hasn't topped that. But he is all of the sudden going to find the fountain of youth and do it now? And again we aren't even mentioning defense.

I would just like one shred of evidence to show that Roberts is going to be "better", and if you can provide one with actual numbers and not "nostalgia" please do so.

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Roberts is a bust and should be let go regardless or his salary. Just my opinion but his contract has been a terrible mistake. No one is to blame as no one could've expected the injuries. But it would be best to just cut ties and move on.

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10 RBI in 22 games? Wow, he should have been AL player of the month for that!

Look, I don't have a crystal ball, but Flaherty didn't really set the bar that high. And I'm glad you can just sweep Flaherty's .484 OPS from April and May under the rug, but I can't. I think BRob is likely to outhit Flaherty by a substantial margin for the rest of the year. That's just my opinion. Unlike you, I don't make pronouncements about what will happen in the future.

I'd take that bet. ;) How about if Roberts does outhit (by OPS) Flaherty from this point on I'll take you to a game and if Flaherty outhits Roberts, you take me to a game in your sweet seats? :D BTW, it's not that I think Flaherty is some great hitter, it's just that I have little reason to believe that Roberts is a .600+ OPS guy over a sustained time period in the big leagues any more.

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I think BRob is likely to outhit Flaherty by a substantial margin for the rest of the year. That's just my opinion. Unlike you, I don't make pronouncements about what will happen in the future.

I'd take that bet. ;) How about if Roberts does outhit (by OPS) Flaherty from this point on I'll take you to a game and if Flaherty outhits Roberts, you take me to a game in your sweet seats? :D BTW, it's not that I think Flaherty is some great hitter, it's just that I have little reason to believe that Roberts is a .600+ OPS guy over a sustained time period in the big leagues any more.

Tony - I'll bankroll you on that bet, as long as you can pay the vig ;) "Substantial margin?" Fuhgeddaboudit. I guess the word "likely" is what changes pronouncements into opinions. :D
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I'd take that bet. ;) How about if Roberts does outhit (by OPS) Flaherty from this point on I'll take you to a game and if Flaherty outhits Roberts, you take me to a game in your sweet seats? :D BTW, it's not that I think Flaherty is some great hitter, it's just that I have little reason to believe that Roberts is a .600+ OPS guy over a sustained time period in the big leagues any more.

Done. However, I'll take you to a game in my sweet seats regardless of who wins the bet. And if I win, I'd like to go to a Baysox game on a day EdRod is pitching and get the benefit of seeing how you scout a prospect.

BRob is hard to judge. In those first three game he looked great, not only in terms of results, but bat speed, approach and everything else. I still think his approach looks god, but the bat speed isn't all the way there, probably because he was rushed back without enough rehab time. I think he'll work his way back into it. We'll see.

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Done. However, I'll take you to a game in my sweet seats regardless of who wins the bet. And if I win, I'd like to go to a Baysox game on a day EdRod is pitching and get the benefit of seeing how you scout a prospect.

BRob is hard to judge. In those first three game he looked great, not only in terms of results, but bat speed, approach and everything else. I still think his approach looks god, but the bat speed isn't all the way there, probably because he was rushed back without enough rehab time. I think he'll work his way back into it. We'll see.

Done regardless of the bet.

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Is this the thread where folks were lauding Jeter for staying with the rehab games until he was in proper game shape?

Jeter had a busy night in the field against the Twins? Triple-A affiliate from Rochester, New York, seeing total seven chances. He committed one throwing error and mishandled a flip at second base, which allowed a run to score.
Jeter is now 1-for-9 with four walks and two strikeouts since joining up with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. There is talk of him joining the Yankees on Friday, but that seems a tad optimistic at present.

He is expected to be in the Yankees lineup today.

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