O's get Bud Norris

[dorfmac]

Might as well trade 'em all then.

Except Hader isn't a highly rated prospect. Bundy is. Gausman is. Hader is a relative non-prospect at this point despite his success at the lowest levels of the minor leagues. So yeah, trade all the Hader's you want as far as I'm concerned. The success rate on Hader-type prospects is probably quite low, so if he can fetch you someone who can hopefully provide ~5+ WAR at arbitration prices for the next two season, then yeah.

[Guest]

http://justice4u.mlblogs.com/2013/07/31/trade-deadline-winners-and-losers-first-there-are-the-orioles/

Winners

[Mark Carver]

I'm having a difficult time trying to get excited for a guy with below average life time numbers.

34-46, that's a .425 winning percentage with a 4.33 ERA.

He's...

5-28 in 39 games when the Astros score 2 runs or less

16-14 in 54 games when the Astros score 3-5 runs

13-4 in 25 games when the Astros score 6+ runs

[LookitsPuck]

I don't like trading Hader, but I do like acquiring Norris who stabilizes our rotation for 2014 and 2015. We'll have: Chen, Gonzalez, Tillman, AND Norris. That gives guys like Gausman, Bundy, Erod, Hunter, Britton, etc. time to mature.

[UMDTerrapins]

http://justice4u.mlblogs.com/2013/07/31/trade-deadline-winners-and-losers-first-there-are-the-orioles/Winners

I think back to the fiasco that was our GM search and couldn't be much happier about what DD has done since. I admit I skeptical to say the very least.

[Moose Milligan]

Fairly happy about this. Didn't think Hoes would amount to much, so no big loss there.

Here's hoping Bud Norris steps up his game in a pennant race and becomes a difference maker for us.

[blid]

I guess we won't get Vargas now.

[LookitsPuck]

Also, we may have traded Strop, Arrieta, Delmonico, Hader, Hoes + Comp Pick for half a season of Feldman, half a season of KRod and 2 and a half seasons of Norris. But these moves make us better AND we didn't have to trade ERod, Gausman, Bundy, Hunter, Schoop, Britton, etc.

[Guest]

Danny Knobler ‏@DannyKnoblerCBS 12s

L.J. Hoes in lineup for Astros tonight.

[Tx Oriole]

Horrible. We've now traded 2 maybe 3 top ten prospects for 2 very mediocre starting pitchers one of whom will be gone in 2 months and the other isn't cheap. Hate this move.

So you prefer Hammel? That's who we keep going without Norris. So I like the

deal.

[bpilktree]

I like this trade more thank I liked the K-Rod trade, but I'm not thrilled either.

Duquette's putting pressure on himself to be able to continuously churn out B level prospects like Delmonico and Hader. It's not like he's working with high draft picks like we used to have either.

Delmonico, Hader, Hoes, Arrieta, Strop, and the pick for Bud Norris, K-Rod, and Feldman.

That is a great job dealing. We got two guys to put into the rotaion and a late inning reliever for a guy that is a decent hitter but has trouble staying healthy and no posisition, a single A pitcher that does have some upside but a long way from helping if he ever does. An outfielder that does not hit for much power and currently has no place on this team now or in the future, a starter that was given chance after chance and did nothing, a guy that many wanted to release most of the season.

[olehippi]

Two most popular people in sports:

1. Back-up QB on a losing team.

2. Any prospect in the O's organization traded for a player that has proven he can do it at the major league level.

The problem is that Bud Norris hasn't proven he can "do it" at the ML level. In fact, if you look at his minor league stats, he didn't prove he could do it there either. The more I find out about Norris, the more I think this isn't a trade that will help us.

[Olson30]

I'm having a difficult time trying to get excited for a guy with below average life time numbers.

34-46, that's a .425 winning percentage with a 4.33 ERA.

U realize W/L really do not mean anything when discussing how good a pitcher is?

[VeveJones007]

Apparently Norris has some issues against lefties:

Norris throws a fastball or a slider more than 90% of the time against right-handers. Those are his two best pitches. The problem is, of course, that the slider has a platoon split and isn?t very useful against lefties. That?s why Norris? FIP is a full run higher against lefties over his career. His walk rate doubles because he?s trying to put that slider in very specific places, and his home run rate is 20% worse against lefties because when he misses those spots, the ball gets punished.

He does have a changeup, and he throws it to lefties. Last year, he threw it around 10% of the time to lefties, and this year, it?s more like 18%. He knows about the slider, and platoon splits, so he?s giving it a go. Too bad, because now his strikeout rate against lefties has tanked (20.1% career, 12.5% this year), and he?s giving up even more home runs to lefties. The changeup gets about half of the whiffs of a league average changeup.

By our park factors, Norris is leaving a park that augments homers by lefties by 2% and going to one that augments the same by 24%. That?s a little scary.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/orioles-acquire-bud-norris-and-his-platoon-problems/

[soxhotcorner14]

Well remember, prospects are nothing more than commodities. At the end of the day it's about winning major league baseball games and if the Orioles can move some to get major league players that help this and the next it's a good thing. they haven't moved one of the A prospects yet and as long as that doesn't occur I'm fine with these moves. It's take quality to get quality. At least we have some guys other organizations value and that's a good sign.

This is the same way he went about it when he was with the Red Sox. Started trading off some assets he inherited to get key big league pieces. In the process got one of the greatest SP's of all-time with P. Martinez. He gave up a top 5 prospect in Carl Pavano in that deal too. Before there is any panic amongst the O's fans. Remember the guy has a track record of acquiring talent. What he stunk with was communication in Beantown.