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Singleton Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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This has to be considered a win for the Orioles. How many years have we had "highly touted prospects" come up and fail. We now have a known commodity, coming to a team with the best fielding percentage, well, ever. A 4.25 ERA from Norris turns into a big + for the Orioles.

Hader is a long, long, long way away, Hoes is a nice story but a doubles hitting 4th outfielder, and a comp pick, thats all we gave up. How many of you would have complained if we didnt make a trade that we dont have enough pitching? This makes the O's a better team today, and thats what makes me think this is a win.

Might as well trade 'em all then.

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I dont think Britton is done for, look at Tillman.

There is still hope for Britton.

I am glad you have faith, many do. I don't in regards to Britton. I had more faith in Arietta and definitely Matusz. Nobody knows. I think Britton would be a good bullpen arm however.

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Yeah, he was so extreme in his splits that it almost looks like you should shuffle the rotation just to pitch him exclusively at home, because as bad as he is on the road, he's great at home.

Last year, for example 1.71 ERA / 0.96 WHIP at home, 6.94 ERA / 1.69 WHIP away.

Well, is he great at home, or is he great at Minute Maid? Big difference.

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And we said NO to Britton???!?!?!

I'd much rather move Hader than Britton. While Britton hasn't succeeded yet at the MLB level, he's succeeded at every stop in the minors and there is still plenty of reason to believe he can contribute. Hader is in A ball and doing quite well, but who knows if he can keep it up at A+, AA, or AAA? We already KNOW Britton can do that and is ML ready now. Hader won't be for another 2-3 seasons minimum, and then he would likely experience growing pains in the bigs as well.

Britton is more valuable and fits our window to compete so much better that I don't blink an eye at keeping him over Hader.

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Interesting, wander if people would have preferred to send Britton instead of Hader?

I think I would have but Britton has shown some promise at times in the majors. The issue with Britton though is he has to stay with the team next year so the time is running out. Hader is a long way from helping and only just in A ball.

I think we have some decent starting depth right now so you can move Hader. We have Tilman, Gonzo, Chen, Norris, S. Johnson, Gausman, Bundy, Erod, Britton, Mcfarland righ now all under team control for 3 more years.

Adding Norris allows us to not overpay for vetern guy this off season and keep a quality number 4 in the rotation. This may allow us to add an extension to another guy in teh future or maybe sign Mclouth in the off season.

Norris is not a sexy pick but I think we have a solid three already and Norris give us someone now without having to sign a FA in the future.

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I'm having a hard time figuring out why Norris's away ERA is so much worse than his home ERA.

His away LD% is lower (-3.4%), GB% is higher (+1.7%), FB% is higher (+1.7), but IFB% is lower (-4.6). His HR/FB% is 3.1% higher and the big one, his IFH% is almost 10% higher.

His away BABIP is .351 with a lower LD%. By the numbers, it looks like his away stats are not really indicative of his performance.

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Might as well trade 'em all then.

Well remember, prospects are nothing more than commodities. At the end of the day it's about winning major league baseball games and if the Orioles can move some to get major league players that help this and the next it's a good thing. they haven't moved one of the A prospects yet and as long as that doesn't occur I'm fine with these moves. It's take quality to get quality. At least we have some guys other organizations value and that's a good sign.

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Two most popular people in sports:

1. Back-up QB on a losing team.

2. Any prospect in the O's organization traded for a player that has proven he can do it at the major league level.

You mean like future MVP Gabriel Lino???

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I'd much rather move Hader than Britton. While Britton hasn't succeeded yet at the MLB level, he's succeeded at every stop in the minors and there is still plenty of reason to believe he can contribute. Hader is in A ball and doing quite well, but who knows if he can keep it up at A+, AA, or AAA? We already KNOW Britton can do that and is ML ready now. Hader won't be for another 2-3 seasons minimum, and then he would likely experience growing pains in the bigs as well.

Britton is more valuable and fits our window to compete so much better that I don't blink an eye at keeping him over Hader.

I liked Hader, but Hader is still the shiny nickel just like Britton was until his struggles at the major league level. He helped bring back two years and two months of a major league starter. That's pretty good value for a 19th round pick out of high school.

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I think I would have but Britton has shown some promise at times in the majors. The issue with Britton though is he has to stay with the team next year so the time is running out. Hader is a long way from helping and only just in A ball.

I think we have some decent starting depth right now so you can move Hader. We have Tilman, Gonzo, Chen, Norris, S. Johnson, Gausman, Bundy, Erod, Britton, Mcfarland righ now all under team control for 3 more years.

Adding Norris allows us to not overpay for vetern guy this off season and keep a quality number 4 in the rotation. This may allow us to add an extension to another guy in teh future or maybe sign Mclouth in the off season.

Norris is not a sexy pick but I think we have a solid three already and Norris give us someone now without having to sign a FA in the future.

Good points on freeing up money for FA signings/extensions. I was telling a co-worker this. Having Norris as lower cost quality arm allows us more flexibility this off-season.

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