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We need to trade Hardy (now!!!) for young near ML ready cost controlled starting pitching. He is too old and will be way too expensive to be part of the O's future.

We should trade or extend Wieters in the next year.

We should extend Chris Davis. If we can't come to terms he should be traded ASAP, while his value is as high as it will ever get.

We have time to watch Manny and see if he is the first half Manny or the second half Manny. He needs to have a consistend good offensive year before we talk extensions.

We also need to consider extending Chris Tillman sometime in the next 6-12 months.

What we can't do is let our players continue to walk up their salaries via arbitration to the point we get no return from trade or they walk as FA.

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I don't care if I get negative ripped by certain people, but I can't wait until Angelos dies and this team can at

East see what the next owner is willing to do with the pile of money in their war chest. What is the worst that could happen? We lose? We are already doing that. But I am simply fed up with Pete

Yes I guess you are fed up with Angelos. But wanting him to die is pathetic.

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... see what the next owner is willing to do with the pile of money in their war chest. What is the worst that could happen? We lose? We are already doing that. But I am simply fed up with Pete

I understand your emotions, but what make you think the next owner would have a war chest? What makes you think he would have any money left after paying a billion dollars for the club? And no, the worst that can happen if after finally winning, we could have an awful team for a couple decades again. Not saying we are going to keep winning. But we are winners. Not losers like Toronto.

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If they get a frontline starter, all is forgiven.

It would be so weird, though, if Weeks ended up being a real sleeper player like Hammel was when we traded for him.

As things are currently going, the window closes for a while after this season, barring a major step forward by Gausman and EdRod. DD needs to be looking at this year as the year.

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As things are currently going, the window closes for a while after this season, barring a major step forward by Gausman and EdRod. DD needs to be looking at this year as the year.

I just think that is the wrong mentality. Tampa looks at every year as the year. Sometimes that means trading guys like Shields. Those are risky and painful moves but that is how they compete year after year on a fraction of the Orioles' budget, let alone the Yankees.

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I understand your emotions, but what make you think the next owner would have a war chest? What makes you think he would have any money left after paying a billion dollars for the club? And no, the worst that can happen if after finally winning, we could have an awful team for a couple decades again. Not saying we are going to keep winning. Be we are winners. Not losers like Toronto.

All I see is this organization returning to what they have been over the past 15 years.

MLB gives us 25m and they pretend it doesn't exist. Then we cut 10m while all around them, impact guys are signing.

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I just think that is the wrong mentality. Tampa looks at every year as the year. Sometimes that means trading guys like Shields. Those are risky and painful moves but that is how they compete year after year on a fraction of the Orioles' budget, let alone the Yankees.

They have also proven to be able to build a minor league organization. We haven't.

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If they get a frontline starter, all is forgiven.

It would be so weird, though, if Weeks ended up being a real sleeper player like Hammel was when we traded for him.

As things are currently going, the window closes for a while after this season, barring a major step forward by Gausman and EdRod. DD needs to be looking at this year as the year.

No, DD does not need to be looking at this year as the year. The Os best course for competitiveness is a rotation including Tillman, Gausman, and Bundy (with perhaps EdRod). We will be there in two years. There is absolutely no need to make poor moves involving LTCs or shedding prospects this offseason to compromise 2015-2017.

This entire thread goes off on the Os not being involved in a half dozen or more moves made yesterday not involving the Os - bfd. It would be nice to see the Os spend some $ toward a better team in a few years, but Beltran is not that guy and neither are Mourneau, Salty, AJP or Ellsbury (particularly when we currently have Wieters, AJ and Davis!).

People want to believe we were competitive last year, but reality is we were five or so games out of the second WC and behind four other teams chasing that second WC. The type of impatience in this thread is indicative of the clamoring at last year's trade deadline that has left us with a weaker talent base today than then. Let our GM do his job.

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No, DD does not need to be looking at this year as the year. The Os best course for competitiveness is a rotation including Tillman, Gausman, and Bundy (with perhaps EdRod). We will be there in two years. There is absolutely no need to make poor moves involving LTCs or shedding prospects this offseason to compromise 2015-2017.

This entire thread goes off on the Os not being involved in a half dozen or more moves made yesterday not involving the Os - bfd. It would be nice to see the Os spend some $ toward a better team in a few years, but Beltran is not that guy and neither are Mourneau, Salty, AJP or Ellsbury (particularly when we currently have Wieters, AJ and Davis!).

People want to believe we were competitive last year, but reality is we were five or so games out of the second WC and behind four other teams chasing that second WC. The type of impatience in this thread is indicative of the clamoring at last year's trade deadline that has left us with a weaker talent base today than then. Let our GM do his job.

Great post. I do think we should add someone like Garza if he can be reasonably had, but no matter what we need guys like Gausman, Bundy, EdRod, and Schoop to come through for us.

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The MFY made two big signings but look at them: C McCann, 1B Tbag ???, 2B???, SS Jeter???. 3B???, LF Gardner, CF Ellsbury, RF ???. And their SP is currently worse than ours: CC, Nova,???,???,???. Ellsbury would have been great for the O's but not at 7/153M. There is no FA SP available who would be a difference maker. Certainly not 20M worth of a difference.

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Quick, we need Frobby on here now! This is getting dank, dark and all encompassing!

If only it were the weekend when Frobby now writes and postulates and doesn't worry until February.

STFU naysayers!!!!!! :cussing::slytf:

Unless you're kidding, no one here is "naysaying."

The Orioles FO is doing a horrible job with building the team into a contender. Even the players are upset. It all flows down (or up) to Angelos. He doesn't want to spend. He needs to raise the budget to at least $110MM but that won't happen. Ever.

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The MFY made two big signings but look at them: C McCann, 1B Tbag ???, 2B???, SS Jeter???. 3B???, LF Gardner, CF Ellsbury, RF ???. And their SP is currently worse than ours: CC, Nova,???,???,???. Ellsbury would have been great for the O's but not at 7/153M. There is no FA SP available who would be a difference maker. Certainly not 20M worth of a difference.

so then...we should just do nothing I guess. No one is "worth" what they cost. Apparently players are not fond of being paid bargain basement Orioles $$. Not a single player out there that would improve this team I guess. Or at least not at what they cost.

Let's just all sit...watch Angelos count his $$, and have an $85M payroll. Can't wait for the new season!!!

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