Jump to content

Hypothetical, Jones for McCutchen

Outlander

By Outlander
in Orioles Talk

Recommended Posts

Malike Hangout Grand Counsel

Malike

Posted
Posted
Is he more talented. Besides OBP I don't see it. Plus he plays in the National league which is so much weaker.

Why do people always think the grass is greener? Look where we are right now. jones is the first star player we have had in a very long time and he is so consistent. This thread actually makes me angry. And then you got people mad we traded some guy from single A or get upset about Reimold being released. I bet there are people on here who would be more upset if Bundy were traded than Jones.

He's been worth about 10 more wins than Adam, is a year younger, and hasn't been in the league as long. Yes, he's more talented at the plate, on the bases, and in the field. I love the hell out of Adam Jones, but Cutch is a better player. Period.

He's been a 7 win player twice already, and will be over 6 this year. Adam broke 5 wins once.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • Replies 161
  • Created
  • Last Reply
atomic Hangout Grand Counsel

atomic

Posted
Posted
He's been worth about 10 more wins than Adam, is a year younger, and hasn't been in the league as long. Yes, he's more talented at the plate, on the bases, and in the field. I love the hell out of Adam Jones, but Cutch is a better player. Period.

He's been a 7 win player twice already, and will be over 6 this year. Adam broke 5 wins once.

All you can say is WAR. You need more than one stats to make me believe you. The NL is weak. He wouldn't have the same numbers in the AL. I like how people just quote WAR as it is gospel. Use your own brain power.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Malike Hangout Grand Counsel

Malike

Posted
Posted
All you can say is WAR. You need more than one stats to make me believe you. The NL is weak. He wouldn't have the same numbers in the AL. I like how people just quote WAR as it is gospel. Use your own brain power.

You can use your own brain power. If you think Jones is the better player then I suggest hooking a car battery and two jumper cables to your ears, to recharge your reserve, its getting low. He's a superior player, and guess what, it's not a slight to Jones, he's just a better player. Oh, and he's cheaper to boot. Here, numbers you might understand.

Batting average > McCutchen

OBP > McCutchen

Slugging > McCutchen

OPS > McCutchen

Stolen Bases > McCutchen

ISO (Power) McCutchen

He's actually two years younger, signed for 40M dollars less, but if it helps you to sleep at night thinking Jones is the superior player, then you win.

Those numbers are not one season, they are for their careers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

DrungoHazewood

Posted
Posted
Because by all accounts, Cutch is the same quality, type of person, and is more talented?

You'd trade a hypothetical three wins a year for all of the relationships and leadership and affinity for the city and the community Jones has established? Jones grew up with this team, is the de facto captain, and a big part of why they've gone from laughingstock to contender. I wouldn't pull the trigger on a straight-up challenge trade for three wins a year. I'd rather not tell the fanbase that people just don't matter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Eddie_Ripken Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

Eddie_Ripken

Posted
Posted
Sometimes, a player just fits a team, a time and a place. McCutcheon is better, but Jones is our guy. Don't mess with what's working.

Thank You!! Cutch is an awesome player, and I know the OP was saying this is hypothetical....but Jonesy is our guy!! Cutch is Pitt's guy. Period. Both teams and their fans should be elated to have them right where they are.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

DrungoHazewood

Posted
Posted
All you can say is WAR. You need more than one stats to make me believe you. The NL is weak. He wouldn't have the same numbers in the AL. I like how people just quote WAR as it is gospel. Use your own brain power.

You can pretend that Jones is a better ballplayer by sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "nah nah nah WAR sucks blah blah blah". But it doesn't make it any more true. McCutchen is clearly and obviously a better player, and he's cheaper, and younger.

But I still wouldn't trade Jones for him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aglets Hangout Grand Counsel

Aglets

Posted
Posted
You can pretend that Jones is a better ballplayer by sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "nah nah nah WAR sucks blah blah blah". But it doesn't make it any more true. McCutchen is clearly and obviously a better player, and he's cheaper, and younger.

But I still wouldn't trade Jones for him.

Would you trade Jones for Trout?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PA724_Oriole Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

PA724_Oriole

Posted
Posted

Idk.why this woild even be in anyones head. To me Jones has more room to get better whereas Cutch to me has hit his peak already.

The only thing Cutch it better at to me.is defensive (because of his speed) and discipline ay the plate.

If Jones could see a slider better he could be a .300+ hitter and potentially hit 35-40 HRs.

I dont see any room for growth in Cutch but a good amount for Jones. So id say no.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orioles0615 Hangout Grand Counsel

Orioles0615

Posted
Posted
In a video game universe, sure absolutely but in the actual universe, I just couldn't. I know McCutchen is the better player and I like the guy a lot actually but I wouldn't do it. AJ is such a huge leader on this club.If we weren't contending sure I would but in the current universe, no sorry.

In a video game universe I am putting force trades on and trading Flaherty for Cutch and having him and Jones

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • survivedc
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By survivedc · Posted

      I thought Chisholm missed home too. They didn’t appeal tho I don’t think.
    • eddie83
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By eddie83 · Posted

      Now run scores and Yanks take lead. 
    • eddie83
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By eddie83 · Posted

      Inexcusable missed call in NY. Review Cleo at showed Chisholm out at 2nd. They upheld safe call. 
    • now
      Elias: It's on me

      By now · Posted

      Well, good on posters who proved the SSS side of "Guards Ball." I just found it striking in terms of the narrative in that article, which was basically the same as what most around here were complaining the O's lacked: clutch hitting, passing the baton, aggressive running, getting runners in from third, etc. I guess the real bottom line is "whatever works." Which of course varies from case to case. The old Bill James postseason wisdom was that HRs are the ticket, since you face good pitching and get so few hits. So back to you, Elias, keep crunching those numbers...
    • Bemorewins
      Who will pay Burnes $400M this offseason?

      By Bemorewins · Posted

      First, the had a jump in 23’ given how terrible they had been previously, which conditions many fans in the marketplace not to care. They simple weren’t relevant for years. So one very good regular season will not undue years of being bad/irrelevant and treating your customers terribly. Next, I think they missed an opportunity in the offseason by not doing enough by way of big/bold attention grabbing moves. Now I acknowledge that this was most likely due to the ownership flux/transition. I believe they got an attendance/marketplace engagement boost when they changed owners and when they traded for Burnes. However, I believe we would have seen more engagement attendance with say a big Gunnar extension and/or bringing in a big time FA.   IMO this would have created more buzz before the season (say around the time people make season tix decisions - IMO before Christmas is when some people make those bigger purchases). All of this is to say, that it will take time and effort on the organizations part because of how bad of a stain that the Angeloses left. I still have friends and colleagues who refuse to support the Orioles and attend games due to the damage that was done. Rubenstien & co are not going to be able to undo 30 years of awfulness overnight. But IMO it is not enough to simply call it “a new chapter”. They have to make new/different actions to distinguish themselves from who the Orioles were/used to be under the Angelos regime.
    • Emory Eagle
      Other teams playoffs game thread

      By Emory Eagle · Posted

      Just checking in on Gameday, Yankees looking incredibly vulnerable.  Should be the Os out there.  Super lame.  Whichever team wins this series I hope gets knocked out by CLE or DET.
    • Emory Eagle
      ALWC Game 1 Attendance

      By Emory Eagle · Posted

      If the franchise were better, the fan base would be too.  It’s been a rough 40 years.

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...