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scOtt Hangout Grand Counsel

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Manny and Harped play with attitude and the umps are aware of them. The only thing separating the two is one is an Oriole, thus some don't see that he is an immature kid at times on the field. The tantrums and throwing of equipment is little league crap that needs to stop. The hot dogging on defense that has resulted in throwing errors needs to stop. Manny has the potential to be one of the greats in the game, but the arrogance needs to be left off the field.

I have been watching closely, for like three straight weeks. Manny has fixed that. He had one sail yesterday that Davis had to make a tag. Other than that it has been chest high strikes.

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I fall into this category. I don't believe for a second there is some terrible chemistry problem. If Tillman and Norris were pitching even close to their capabilities this year the Orioles would either be in first place right now or close to it. The Orioles have been pretty inconsistent this year and are only two games back. Imagine where they would be if Tillman and Norris weren't 3-11 with a 7.28 ERA in 16 starts this season? Let that sink in a bit. Offense traditionally ebbs and flows throughout a season and May was a terrible month overall for the Orioles offensively, but when your opening day starter allows 89 base runners in 53 innings and can't protect a lead to save his life you can't imagine your "chemistry" is going to be great.

ESPN would be ignoring us because a 10 game lead in June is boring.

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The Yankees (both FO and players) openly were critical of ARod and did everything they could to keep him off the field.

Do you have links to show that Yankees players were openly critical of him and did everything they could to keep him off the field, because that's news to me. Everything I read said his teammates and Girardi were very supportive of him during his suspension and welcomed him back when it was.

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I'm not saying ours is good or bad, but if you honestly think it's a figment of or imagination, I feel really bad for you.

Isn't that the whole point? That if no one has the slightest clue about the impact of any teams' chemistry then it doesn't do much for us to debate its impact?

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Implying that team chemistry/morale is made up and fictional is implying that humans are emotionless robots.
I was talking about unions. Where have I said that baseball team Chemistry is fictional? I believe it exists, just that it isn't a major determining factor, and certainly isn't a problem with the O's. Why are you citing my post? Reading difficulties?
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I fall into this category. I don't believe for a second there is some terrible chemistry problem. If Tillman and Norris were pitching even close to their capabilities this year the Orioles would either be in first place right now or close to it. The Orioles have been pretty inconsistent this year and are only two games back. Imagine where they would be if Tillman and Norris weren't 3-11 with a 7.28 ERA in 16 starts this season? Let that sink in a bit. Offense traditionally ebbs and flows throughout a season and May was a terrible month overall for the Orioles offensively, but when your opening day starter allows 89 base runners in 53 innings and can't protect a lead to save his life you can't imagine your "chemistry" is going to be great.

Good points Tony!

I would like to point out that the O's made a move 20 days ago. That was the last time Bud pitched. The rotation in those 20 games has been Tillman, Chen, Gonzo, Ubaldo, and Wright with Wilson getting one start. Other than Tillman all the others are pitching pretty well. The O's have gone 10-10 in those games.

In 9 of the 10 losses the O's scored 2 runs or less. So the O's offense has played a big role in the losses.

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Good points Tony!

I would like to point out that the O's made a move 20 days ago. That was the last time Bud pitched. The rotation in those 20 games has been Tillman, Chen, Gonzo, Ubaldo, and Wright with Wilson getting one start. Other than Tillman all the others are pitching pretty well. The O's have gone 10-10 in those games.

In 9 of the 10 losses the O's scored 2 runs or less. So the O's offense has played a big role in the losses.

I think unless you actually have locker room access person can not make such a determination either way.

Also, as wildcard points out 9 losses were when the Orioles scored 2 or fewer runs.

These types of losses are demoralizing to the team psyche

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I think unless you actually have locker room access person can not make such a determination either way.

Also, as wildcard points out 9 losses were when the Orioles scored 2 or fewer runs.

These types of losses are demoralizing to the team psyche

If you don't have locker room access how do you know these losses are demoralizing to the team psyche?

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If you don't have locker room access how do you know these losses are demoralizing to the team psyche?

You can tell from articles written and players comments.

Only way you could tell about "chemistry" problems is if you heard players and Buck talking bad about other players in some way. And we don't.

Just my opinion, doesn't make it right

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You can tell from articles written and players comments.

Only way you could tell about "chemistry" problems is if you heard players and Buck talking bad about other players in some way. And we don't.

Just my opinion, doesn't make it right

Can you cite any articles where players are saying those losses were demoralizing to their psyches or that writers have alluded to this being so?
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