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His AAA numbers in a rather extreme pitcher's park have been .282/.311/.428. Projection systems translate to something like .270/.295/.425, which is a 92-94 wRC+.

I think that is plausible. Look at Reimold last year -- .733 OPS in Norfolk, .738 in Baltimore. The effect of tougher pitching is somewhat set-off by the effect of playing in a more hitter-friendly park.

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Considering the difference in pitching between AAA and MLB and Alvarez's unique hitting style I don't see how any projection system just looking at his numbers would be trustworthy.

What do you think is unique about his hitting style? He's not the first guy to come along who has a pretty high BA but doesn't walk much.

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What do you think is unique about his hitting style? He's not the first guy to come along who has a pretty high BA but doesn't walk much.

How many of those guys hit in the majors? I think he is a little different because he doesn't strike out either. I mean Adam Jones doesn't walk much but the talk is Alvarez literally swings at everything. He walked 16 times last year at AAA and yet the projection system baseball-reference uses thinks he will walk 16 times in about 300 less plate appearances. How in the world can they say that? Considering the fact he doesn't walk much and hardly ever strikes out that tells me is getting himself out a lot of the time. He must not get too many infield hits either.

So now he is going to face better pitchers. Who knows maybe he will be the rare player who hits better vs better pitching.

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How many of those guys hit in the majors? I think he is a little different because he doesn't strike out either. I mean Adam Jones doesn't walk much but the talk is Alvarez literally swings at everything. He walked 16 times last year at AAA and yet the projection system baseball-reference uses thinks he will walk 16 times in about 300 less plate appearances. How in the world can they say that? Considering the fact he doesn't walk much and hardly ever strikes out that tells me is getting himself out a lot of the time. He must not get too many infield hits either.

So now he is going to face better pitchers. Who knows maybe he will be the rare player who hits better vs better pitching.

Is there any indication that players with poor plate discipline see their production translate less well than others? I remember in the Jack Cust years people would remark that Cust will never be a major league hitter taking so many pitches. His numbers will never translate. He has to swing a lot more.

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Is there any indication that players with poor plate discipline see their production translate less well than others? I remember in the Jack Cust years people would remark that Cust will never be a major league hitter taking so many pitches. His numbers will never translate. He has to swing a lot more.

The fact that he rarely strikes out to me is the different thing about him. A guy like Jones might K 125-130 times a year but when he makes contact he does damage. Considering the fact that Alvarez rarely strikes out why isn't he more productive with the balls he puts into play?

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The fact that he rarely strikes out to me is the different thing about him. A guy like Jones might K 125-130 times a year but when he makes contact he does damage. Considering the fact that Alvarez rarely strikes out why isn't he more productive with the balls he puts into play?

I am guessing here but if his concern is contact instead of good contact that could be the issue.

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Couldn't we just necro up one of the old ones?

Hard to believe people are already looking to send Kim to the minors after two spring games. I believe Manny is 0-6 as well....Folks need to relax and give the guy a chance to get his feet under him.

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The fact that he rarely strikes out to me is the different thing about him. A guy like Jones might K 125-130 times a year but when he makes contact he does damage. Considering the fact that Alvarez rarely strikes out why isn't he more productive with the balls he puts into play?

Maybe he was taught like an old-school guy - strikeouts very, very, bad, so when you get down in the count just try to punch the ball.

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Hard to believe people are already looking to send Kim to the minors after two spring games. I believe Manny is 0-6 as well....Folks need to relax and give the guy a chance to get his feet under him.

That was more predictable than the sunrise. I'm surprised we haven't had a thread about firing a coach yet.

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