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The rise and fall of Rafael Palmeiro

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I've always felt that greenies just keep a guy perky and alert sort of like caffeine. Meanwhile steroids are more for being able to work out longer to build up muscle and in some cases recover from injuries faster. Due to that, I think the difference is vast.

I think the main difference is Mays and Aaron used greenies. So they don't do much because they're Willie and Hank and they're good guys.

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Don't confuse the writer's take with Raffy's, just to suit your agenda. I don't blame him for being depressed. If he thought he was innocent why wouldn't he ask for help from Selig and Bush? And he should be in the HOF. One of the four with 500 HR and 3000 H. That's a joke.

The bullet points I listed are facts and quotes reported in the article. They don't represent a take or interpretation. "Woe is me" is my interpretation and you can disagree with that.

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Pound of heroin and pound of pot will both get you good time. Not all things are right.
Heroin is less physically damaging to the body than speed or coke. If no distinction is made in the penalty then no distinction should be made in the severity of the transgression. Willie and Hank are just as guilty as Raffy.
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Heroin is less physically damaging to the body than speed or coke. If no distinction is made in the penalty then no distinction should be made in the severity of the transgression. Willie and Hank are just as guilty as Raffy.

But they were never chemically as enhanced. I am not concerned about guilt. At all. Just enhancement. Beyond human means.

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Heroin is less physically damaging to the body than speed or coke. If no distinction is made in the penalty then no distinction should be made in the severity of the transgression. Willie and Hank are just as guilty as Raffy.

BTW, great switch up of the metaphor. Good choices.

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I think as long as guys like Raffy, Bonds, Clemens deny they did steroids, then they're never going to gain forgiveness. You have to admit your error before anyone will forgive you.

I'm ready to forgive Raffy. I'm ready for him to be an Oriole again. He was one hell of a player for us. So, I just want him to say, I did steroids like other guys during the era and I'm really really sorry.

I guess we're not there yet...

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I think as long as guys like Raffy, Bonds, Clemens deny they did steroids, then they're never going to gain forgiveness. You have to admit your error before anyone will forgive you.

I'm ready to forgive Raffy. I'm ready for him to be an Oriole again. He was one hell of a player for us. So, I just want him to say, I did steroids like other guys during the era and I'm really really sorry.

I guess we're not there yet...

How were Brian Roberts and David Ortiz able to get past that?

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I think as long as guys like Raffy, Bonds, Clemens deny they did steroids, then they're never going to gain forgiveness. You have to admit your error before anyone will forgive you.

I'm ready to forgive Raffy. I'm ready for him to be an Oriole again. He was one hell of a player for us. So, I just want him to say, I did steroids like other guys during the era and I'm really really sorry.

I guess we're not there yet...

What if he actually didn't intentionally use steroids though? Not that I think he is innocent but the case against Palmeiro is thinner than that of Bonds and Clemens. I think there is at least a small chance that Palmeiro didn't knowingly use steroids. I think there is a much, much, larger chance that he is in denial and possibly even a sociopath. But it is tough to demand that someone admit an error that they didn't make.

Personally I think they should all go into the Hall as among the best players of their era and let God sort them out.

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I've always felt that greenies just keep a guy perky and alert sort of like caffeine. Meanwhile steroids are more for being able to work out longer to build up muscle and in some cases recover from injuries faster. Due to that, I think the difference is vast.

I have seen much player testimony and other experts that would strongly disagree with your statement.

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