PED Suspensions Coming

[Aristotelian]

40 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

That's gonna hurt my brother's fantasy team, nice.

[Sessh]

I'll be happy when it gets to the point nobody cares anymore and we can drop this silly drug prohibition thing. It's already ending with marijuana and psilocybin. Prohibition does not work.. anywhere it's been tried. It creates a black market because, well, supply and demand. You can't stop it. There has to be give and take in order to have a chance of success. Athletes put their bodies through more abuse than the average joe, yet the average joe has access to medical treatments athletes are banned from.

HGH is perhaps the most egregious example. It's not even a PED and could eliminate things like Tommy John surgery and have pitchers back on the mound in a few months instead of a year and a half. Knee issues for catchers could be reduced with offseason maintenance treatments and so on. No problem with that at all not to mention the healing effects on TBI's and treating concussion symptoms which is a huge issue in sports. This is the damage the war on drugs has done. I'm glad it's now being undone personally.

[Luke-OH]

If these guys are trying to cheat, they should take something that actually has proven efficacy.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Luke-OH said:

If these guys are trying to cheat, they should take something that actually has proven efficacy.

You don't think they are going to catch the smart ones do you?

[Luke-OH]

11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You don't think they are going to catch the smart ones do you?

I think the only way to effectively guarantee you aren't going to get caught is by taking things that are so new that they aren't currently on the radar or at least not yet being tested for. There are obvious risks in going that route including lack of efficacy evidence and potential health risks. 

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

I think the only way to effectively guarantee you aren't going to get caught is by taking things that are so new that they aren't currently on the radar or at least not yet being tested for. There are obvious risks in going that route including lack of efficacy evidence and potential health risks. 

I think Balco level stuff is out there.

[scOtt]

20 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think Balco level stuff is out there.

With the caveat that Balco was 20 years ago. They're probably at way higher levels now. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, scOtt said:

With the caveat that Balco was 20 years ago. They're probably at way higher levels now. 

I meant operations not product.  Sorry I wasn't clear.

[Enjoy Terror]

Make teams vacate wins for cheating. It would disappear even quicker.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

Make teams vacate wins for cheating. It would disappear even quicker.

I'm in the let them snort turpentine if they think it will help camp.

[scOtt]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I meant operations not product.  Sorry I wasn't clear.

I kinda thought that's what you meant. Just being on the leading edge of technology.

[weams]

9 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm in the let them snort turpentine if they think it will help camp.

Full Ben Johnson then.  Ok.

[weams]

By the way, it is not about what they think might help. Any increase in testosterone levels help. Anything that increases them helps. Other things might help, could help, are thought to help. Testosterone helps. Anything that increases testosterone helps. Why do you think the youngsters are so good.  

 

Pretty sure Turpentine does not increase T levels. 

[DrungoHazewood]

9 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

Make teams vacate wins for cheating. It would disappear even quicker.

Airbrushing history doesn't work, especially since we all saw it happen in sports.  No one is really going to think that the 1997 Orioles were World Champs because (for example) someone discovered that a few Indians and Marlins took PEDs.  The NCAA does that, and I still saw USC beat Virginia Tech in '05 - they haven't gotten around to reprogramming my memories yet.

And I'd love to see the lawsuits when you take away Ryan Flaherty's playoff shares because Nelson Cruz gets popped on a test.

So many problems with pretending things that happened didn't.

[DrungoHazewood]

9 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm in the let them snort turpentine if they think it will help camp.

I understand the theory, but any sport that does that will become football.  But a version of football that still promotes free safeties coming across the middle and obliterating wide receivers who aren't looking with helmet-to-helmet hits.  Enrollment in basket weaving will be way up (I'm sure you'll find a way to weave better baskets through PEDs).

It'll be like boxing.  Played mostly by the desperate and the poor and young guys who don't understand the consequences and are led around by older people who just don't care.

I'm not an alarmist, I don't believe in slippery slopes and domino theories, but unrestricted PED use would be pretty grotesque.  Clean leagues would pop up and be much more popular.  Not because they're really 100% clean, but because they're not cartoons.