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Yea right, like he knew Arrieta was going to pitch as well as he has pitched. He got very lucky that he was able to turn around his career there.

He got lucky when he turned the Red Sox around?

And the Cubs?

Yeah, just luck...rolls eyes.

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2007- avg runs scored per team 777

2015-avg runs scored per team 688

Even if you don't like the terminology, at the very least it was a completely different offensive era.

Still doesn't change the fact he hasn't pitched more then 58 innings since 2007. He'll end up with a 4 ERA (maybe a little lower because of being with Oakland).

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Jason Hammel

Jake Arrietta

Rich Hill

Jesus, frustrating.

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No way you can group Arrieta with Hammel and Hill. Arrieta turning it on after the trade is borderline heartbreaking. Hammel and Hill doing so isn't even water under the bridge. Hill is 36. The best he can probably hope for is half of Jamie Moyer's career success. Hammel? Everyone knows his capacity for hot and cold. Would much rather have Rich Hill than Jason Hammel, though I expect success for either of them won't last much longer than this season. Arrieta is a completely different category. He is to the Cubs what Frank Robinson was to the Orioles, except that Robinson was about 1,000 times better before he joined the O's than Arrieta was before he joined the Cubs.

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CHI admits they didn't know what they were getting.

He is on pace to take two doomed franchise that nobody could turn around despite high payrolls and win a championship. That sir, is greatness regardless. Theo is a mad genius. Dude went to Yale for a reason.

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He is on pace to take two doomed franchise that nobody could turn around despite high payrolls and win a championship. That sir, is greatness regardless. Theo is a mad genius. Dude went to Yale for a reason.

He got lucky with Arrieta, that is my point. Sometimes you get lucky.

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He is on pace to take two doomed franchise that nobody could turn around despite high payrolls and win a championship. That sir, is greatness regardless. Theo is a mad genius. Dude went to Yale for a reason.

Man, Your constantly bringing this up gets old. It is done and can not be changed, let it go. Life is too short spending it worrying about the past that can't be changed. The only hope is that the Orioles actually correct whatever development issues they have.

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Forgive me if I'm also not lamenting not having Jason Hammel. We got the best out of him that we could have gotten, and his numbers have played out that he's clearly better suited for the NL. He was never the same for us after the injury in 2012, he was awful in 2013, and he wasn't anything great in his brief stint in Oakland in 2014. The guy is simply better suited for the NL.

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I was at both games today. The afternoon one featured Rich Hill. One factor about the O's offense I've noticed: they don't do very well against soft-tossing finesse pitchers like Rich Hill. So I was not surprised when their bats flailed uselessly against Hill. They did better when Hill was finally relieved by fast-throwing relievers. However, by that time, the game was out of reach.

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