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Ned is a mad baseball scientist, and Don Mattingly is a player's manager. Success will come in time for him

I'll agree with the Yost comment if you drop the "scientist" part. Yost is evidence that you don't need a good manager to win. Sometimes the right guy helps a lot, I believe Buck has an innate ability to motivate and keep a clubhouse together. At least for his time here. But there are many cases of successful teams with cardboard cutout managers, or managers whose on-field moves don' seem to make much sense, at least from outward appearances.

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Ned is an idiot. Mattingly has done nothing so far in his career.

There are both of those types of manager in Cooperstown. That is, if you classify Casey and Joe Torre as idiots based on their sub-sub-500 marks for the inept Braves and Mets they managed, respectively.

Wilbert Robinson was a kindly old grandfatherly type with lots of great stories of the old Orioles, but was just over .500 with no World Series titles.

I'm convinced that a manager's biggest impact has little to do with what a fan can observe. And it's ephemeral. Could be gone in a week. It's likely that some of the best managers ever had 18 nondescript months with some unremarkable 78-84 team.

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There are both of those types of manager in Cooperstown. That is, if you classify Casey and Joe Torre as idiots based on their sub-sub-500 marks for the inept Braves and Mets they managed, respectively.

Wilbert Robinson was a kindly old grandfatherly type with lots of great stories of the old Orioles, but was just over .500 with no World Series titles.

I'm convinced that a manager's biggest impact has little to do with what a fan can observe. And it's ephemeral. Could be gone in a week. It's likely that some of the best managers ever had 18 nondescript months with some unremarkable 78-84 team.

Ole Casey Stengel comes to my mind. One of the best managers to have manage the game. IMO, and let look at the 62 Mets.

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There are both of those types of manager in Cooperstown. That is, if you classify Casey and Joe Torre as idiots based on their sub-sub-500 marks for the inept Braves and Mets they managed, respectively.

Wilbert Robinson was a kindly old grandfatherly type with lots of great stories of the old Orioles, but was just over .500 with no World Series titles.

I'm convinced that a manager's biggest impact has little to do with what a fan can observe. And it's ephemeral. Could be gone in a week. It's likely that some of the best managers ever had 18 nondescript months with some unremarkable 78-84 team.

No doubt. But the point was that they were better managers than Buck. And I say fa.

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The #1 job of any manager is to get more production for his team than the sum of the individual talent. People look to the in game strategy and often use that to prove that managers don't make that much of a difference. Why? Because you can attempt to measure it. Where great managers like Buck truly make a difference is the psychological aspect of the game. A lot of people who never played pooh pooh this. How can it be important if you can't put it into a formula? Well, it is and this is where Buck excels. How many times have we heard "these guys have a good time playing with each other"? That comes from the manager. How many times do you hear that there isn't a lot of ego in the Orioles dugout? Again, that comes from the manager. It is extremely complex to manage 40 massive egos and get most players to buy into the team concept. Buck has succeeded in that and that's a truly amazing feat.

Especially when you consider the mess he walked into here.

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