Are you in favor of the Miley trade?

[Burg]

Wade Miley is just not very good. Joe Saunders 2.0 - an uninspiring move during a season where we have a legit to go for it. If we're going to go for it - pay the price to make an impact move. This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the ship - Wade Miley being any better over the last two months of the season than pretty much any starter we could promote from the minors or pick off the scrapheap is basically a coin flip.

We don't have the chips to "pay the price" without engaging in a significant overpay.

[Tx Oriole]

If the Orioles had done nothing everyone would be mad. Some are still unhappy. This move isn't great ...but we didn't have the chips and gutting the team of Sisco, Mancini, and others would've been a bad move long term.

I voted for it.

[weams]

What's up with this long term stuff? Why are we not in a WIN NOW mode. We were 4 games away from a World series, then we regressed and now we're in the thick of the race again. Scared money doesn't make any money. We keep dumpster diving hoping to pull out a steak with all the trimmings. Just one time go for broke and let the chips fall where they may.

They did. Chris Davis.

[eddie83]

He is an upgrade. About as well as I suspected. Just needs to be solid, move improves pen as Worley or Bundy move back.

I wouldn't worry about him facing the Jays, Orioles will avoid that at all costs.

[Tx Oriole]

Miley's contract for next year is $8.9 million, not $12 million (that's the club option year). Do some of you people work in accounting in the Orioles' front office or something?

You'd think it was their money. Some will never be happy.

[Frobby]

I gave the trade a very mild thumbs up. I am not a big Miley fan, but he gives us more options, being left-handed will help since we don't have many lefties in the bullpen, and I think Miranda is a back-end starter at best. I just hope he holds up pitching in the AL East.

[Just Regular]

Let's say he's a 1-win pitcher. Hie $9M next year is fine, and even though this is a deadline deal, it feels also like the Trumbo acquisition early last offseason. It protected us in the Davis negotiations.

With Ubaldo looking finished, Gallardo shaky, Harvey injured and another good look at both Wilson and Wright, it isn't hard to project now that we were going to be back in the SP market this offseason. And many have already mentioned how bad that is, Miley's an okay parking space for 2017 too.

The other argument I'd make is he's worth more than 1-win to us. Replacement level's a theory, but AAAA performers aren't smoothly distributed throughout baseball. Pretty clearly the final spot in our rotation has been sub-replacement, and figured to continue to be so.

I'm interested to see Bundy v. Worley - I was pretty surprised by the reports there's no innings limit on Bundy, etc. I could see that as posturing for this month's trade talks. Balancing the short and long term, the super-reliever role for Bundy down the stretch would be fine by me.

[24fps]

It's fine. They get a pitcher who sponges up generic innings, allowing Ubaldo to fall down in the parking lot again. And they gave up a 27-year-old who was just pitching okay in a depressed run environment in AAA. The Orioles got a little bit better, maybe getting the new Joe Saunders, maybe Scott Feldman, while giving up a lukewarm body.

Has someone started the Miranda = Arrieta thread yet? Should I just go ahead and do that?

Better do it quick. The Matusz = Arrieta juggernaut just hit a great, herkin' pothole.

[FlipTheBird]

Is a he a stud? No. Is he better than all but 2/3 of our current starting pitchers? Absolutely. And he came at very little to no cost. It's sad that Wade Miley upgrades this team, but that's not his fault. He'll be a welcome addition.

[Ripken]

It's an upgrade. Mild, but it only cost PA's money, so that's fine. I really wish they'd find a way to move out Ubaldo. That Upton deal would have been nice...

[Mizerooskie]

I'm relatively ambivalent. I think there's a great chance he's better at the MLB level than Miranda ever will be, so it's a win from a player value perspective. But, I don't really think it makes the O's a whole lot better.

So I'm fine with the move in isolation, but I'll be disappointed if it's the only one made.

[DrungoHazewood]

Better do it quick. The Matusz = Arrieta juggernaut just hit a great, herkin' pothole.

You can't always undo the effects of years under Oriole madness in a few weeks. You can't expect Koufax II until the spring.

[TouchemAll]

Simple poll so that people can go on record.

Hard to tell if he's going to be and upgrade or not, but yeah it sure won't hurt to try. The cost wasn't bad at all and better yet he's under team control for a couple of years and is LH

Heck yea I would rather had Hellickson, but I can understand the cost was too high I guess.

[webbrick2010]

Hard to tell if he's going to be and upgrade or not, but yeah it sure won't hurt to try. The cost wasn't bad at all and better yet he's under team control for a couple of years and is LH

Heck yea I would rather had Hellickson, but I can understand the cost was too high I guess.

This is what I can't understand and drives me crazy

We now have 30+ million dollars tied up in Ubaldo, Gallardo, and Miley and we're not really sure

they are better than AAAA level

Why don't we just sign ( and this would have been last offseason) a legitimate starting pitcher like

a Mike Leake level?

I know the answer is that the organization is reluctant to make long term commitments to pitchers,

but every year they flush the equivalen annual salary down the toilet on Gallardo types

who are at or below replacement level

[Tony-OH]

Miley would need to put up 1 WAR next season to be worth his salary. Seems a lot of you people forget how expensive mediocre pitching is. Good guys get 30M a year.

Yep, at the end of the day, the Orioles still will need a starter next year as well. Tillman, Bundy, Gausman, Miley, Gallardo isn't so bad if Gallardo can at least go 5 innings effectively.