Can you fill out the O's roster for less than $10M?

[wildcard]

When Joesph played a lot in 2015 he had a 1.4 WAR in 100 games.

In 2016, Wieters had a 1.7 WAR in 124 games.

Give Caleb 24 more games or count the WAR value of someone that shares time with Caleb and its basically a wash between Wieters and Joseph.

I don't think its very accurate to compare Joesph's WAR as a backup which affects his rhythm and timing to when he plays a lot.

[Can_of_corn]

When Joesph played a lot in 2015 he had a 1.4 WAR in 100 games.

In 2016, Wieters had a 1.7 WAR in 124 games.

Give Caleb 24 more games or count the WAR value of someone that shares time with Caleb and its basically a wash between Wieters and Joseph.

I don't think its very accurate to compare Joesph's WAR as a backup which affects his rhythm and timing to when he plays a lot.

Yea, I am going to stick with working off of what he actually did this season.

[wildcard]

Yea, I am going to stick with working off of what he actually did this season.

But what do you think the O's will do? How do they value Joseph?

[Can_of_corn]

But what do you think the O's will do? How do they value Joseph?

I think they are going to sign Wieters to a two year deal with an option for a third year.

I think they value Joseph as a backup.

[DrungoHazewood]

But what do you think the O's will do? How do they value Joseph?

I would hope like most of the rest of us. He's a reasonably capable, standard issue defense-only backup catcher. Sometimes circumstances press those players into starting roles. He's Greg Olson, Matt Walbeck, Ned Yost, Tim Laker, Jerry Narron. Members of Backup Catchers Local 228.

[wildcard]

I think they are going to sign Wieters to a two year deal with an option for a third year.

I think they value Joseph as a backup.

Well, that could happen. I am not counting on it but it is in the realm of possibilities.

[wildcard]

I would hope like most of the rest of us. He's a reasonably capable, standard issue defense-only backup catcher. Sometimes circumstances press those players into starting roles. He's Greg Olson, Matt Walbeck, Ned Yost, Tim Laker, Jerry Narron. Members of Backup Catchers Local 228.

I don't think Caleb will ever be the horse that Wieters was but he showed in 2015 that giving enough at bats and enough rest he can play at Wieters current level for 100 games.

[Can_of_corn]

I don't think Caleb will ever be the horse that Wieters was but he showed in 2015 that giving enough at bats and enough rest he can play at Wieters current level for 100 games.

While he most certainly did it, I don't think he can repeat it.

[25 Nuggets]

So we're starting with $10 mil.

Step 1) Trade Britton. Save $11.4 mil. For argument's sake, let's call our team that needs a closer the Giants. Using Chapman's deal as a baseline:

- Christian Arroyo, 21 y/o INF and top organizational prospect

- Tyler Beede, 23 y/o SP with a 2.81 ERA in AA and a sinkerballer

- Ty Blach, 25 y/o LHP that looked impressive as a rookie

- Jarrett Parker, 27 y/o LH OF that can fill that role and move Kim to DH.

Net change (w/ Blach & Parker): +$10.4 mil ($20.4 mil)

Step 2) Decline arbitration to Caleb Joseph and Ryan Flaherty. It's been fun fellas but your time is up.

Net change: +$2.7 mil ($23.1 mil)

Step 3) Promotions to Trey Mancini, Chance Sisco, Donnie Hart and Oliver Drake. All on part time roles to fill in roster spots.

Net change: -2.0 mil ($21.1 mil)

Step 4) Sign Jason Castro to start at catcher. 3 yr / $15 mil. Wieters level production at lower cost.

Net change: -5.0 mil ($16.1 mil)

Step 5) Sign Josh Reddick. Bad stint in LA, plus fair corner OF market may make 4 yr / $50 mil attainable. RF solved. No QO.

Net change: -12.5 mil ($3.6 mil)

Step 6) Last two spots, in need of right handed hitters that can hit LHP. I'll pencil in the Rule-5 special for IF and Joey Rickard for OF.

Net change: -0.5 mil ($3.1 mil)

C - Castro - $5M

1B - Davis - $23M

2B - Schoop - $3.4M (arb)

SS - Hardy - $14M

3B - Machado - $11.2M (arb)

LF - Parker - pre-arb

CF - Jones - $16.3M

RF - Reddick - $12.5M

DH - Kim - $4.2M

C - Sisco - pre-arb

IF - (Rule V)

OF - Rickard - pre-arb

UTIL - Mancini - pre-arb

SP - Tillman - $10.6M (arb)

SP -Gausman - $3.9M (arb)

SP - Jimenez - $13.5M

SP - Bundy - $2M

SP - Gallardo - $11M

CL - Brach - $2.9M (arb)

SU - O'Day - $7M

SU - Givens - pre-arb

MR - Blach - pre-arb

MR - Hart - pre-arb

MR - Drake - pre-arb

LR - Miley - $8.92M

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Tada! Maybe not the best but it's what I have for now.

[DrungoHazewood]

I don't think Caleb will ever be the horse that Wieters was but he showed in 2015 that giving enough at bats and enough rest he can play at Wieters current level for 100 games.

Joseph is now 30 with a slash line of .213/.271/.342. I think it's likely that his 2015 performance was a career year.

[Sanfran327]

Joseph is now 30 with a slash line of .213/.271/.342. I think it's likely that his 2015 performance was a career year.

Padded nicely by a Ruthian 5-game stretch!

[DrungoHazewood]

Padded nicely by a Ruthian 5-game stretch!

Right. Joseph's line is basically three months of a .850 OPS surrounded by 2+ years of a .550.

[weams]

But what do you think the O's will do? How do they value Joseph?

I think the same as everyone else values Joseph, a fringe MLB backup catcher/journeyman.

[wildcard]

I think the same as everyone else values Joseph, a fringe MLB backup catcher/journeyman.

Well, at least I understand where the lines are drawn this off season.

[weams]

Well, at least I understand where the lines are drawn this off season.

You dispute that view?