Rule 5 protection list to be submitted by tomorrow

[weams]

Tillman is in the 4/60 range maybe with a vesting option. He is a solid #2 who may be a #3 on this team when Gausman and Bundy pass him.

Chen +

[wildcard]

Chen +

Chen has a very, very creative contract. Backloaded with an opt out after 2017 and a ton of deferred money.

Wei-Yin Chen lhp

5 years/$80M (2016-20), plus 2021 option

5 years/$80M (2016-20), plus conditional 2021 option

signed by Miami as a free agent 1/19/16

$13M signing bonus ($5M paid 11/30/17, $8M paid 6/30/18)

16:$6M, 17:$9M, 18:$10M player option, 19:$20M player option, 20:$22M player option, 21:$16M conditional player option

Chen must exercise 2018-20 options together within four days after the end of the 2017 World Series

Chen receives 2021 player option if he 1) has 180 innings pitched in 2020 or 360 IP in 2019-20 and 2) is not on the disabled list at the end of the 2020 season, and 3) is healthy for 2021 spring training

Total of $64.5M in 2016-21 salaries is deferred without interest (16:$3M, 17:$4.5M, 18:$8M, 19:$16M, 20:$17M , 21:$16M)

Chen to receive deferred payments of $3M on 11/30/16, $4.5M on 11/30/17, $2M on 11/30/18, $6M on 6/30/19, $4M on 11/30/19, $9M on 6/30/20, $5M on 11/30/20, $15M on 6/30/21, $1M on 11/30/21, $15M on 6/30/22

[backwardsk]

Tillman is in the 4/60 range maybe with a vesting option. He is a solid #2 who may be a #3 on this team when Gausman and Bundy pass him.

Dec 2nd is the next move date. Worley and McFarland are probably non tendered. Then Dan picks a Rule 5 guy at the end of the winter meetings.

The catchers are flying off the board which may cause him to move a little faster that he wants to.

How does Tillman only get 4/60 when Mike Leake gets 5/80 when there was more SP supply in the market?

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[Aristotelian]

Tillman is in the 4/60 range maybe with a vesting option. He is a solid #2 who may be a #3 on this team when Gausman and Bundy pass him.

Dec 2nd is the next move date. Worley and McFarland are probably non tendered. Then Dan picks a Rule 5 guy at the end of the winter meetings.

The catchers are flying off the board which may cause him to move a little faster that he wants to.

Solid #2? In what world? Don't forget his 2015 when he was worse than Ubaldo.

[backwardsk]

Solid #2? In what world? Don't forget his 2015 when he was worse than Ubaldo.

Name 60 better starting pitchers. Go.

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[Aristotelian]

Name 60 better starting pitchers. Go.

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A *solid* #2 would be in the top 30. An averageish #2 would be in the top 50. Tillman was an averageish #2 last year but was barely a #5 in 2015. I would call him a solid #3.

[ChuckS]

Tillman is going get paid. You can't forget that he pitches in the AL East, so he gets a bump for that when comparing him to the rest of the league. Stick him in the NL and he becomes Jordan Zimmerman.

Tillman is a no. 2/no. 3 starter IMO and those guys get 80-100 million these days. 5/90 seems about right to me, although I usually underestimate because there is always some team willing to overpay. I may let him walk depending on how guys like Sedlock/Akin develop this season.

[Aristotelian]

Tillman is going get paid. You can't forget that he pitches in the AL East, so he gets a bump for that when comparing him to the rest of the league. Stick him in the NL and he becomes Jordan Zimmerman.

Tillman is a no. 2/no. 3 starter IMO and those guys get 80-100 million these days. 5/90 seems about right to me, although I usually underestimate because there is always some team willing to overpay. I may let him walk depending on how guys like Sedlock/Akin develop this season.

I agree. The other option would be to trade him while he has decent value. Our pitching would be very thin but I feel he is more expendable, and more of a risk to regress, than Britton and Manny, while having more value than Ubaldo/Gallardo/Miley. I would listen to offers on Tillman.

[wildcard]

How does Tillman only get 4/60 when Mike Leake gets 5/80 when there was more SP supply in the market?

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Tillman still has one arbitration year remaining which MLBTR estimates at 10.6m. So that lessens the contract compared to a FA. Tillman probably wants to stay. The O's don't do 5 year contracts. Tillman knows that. I think the O's can talk him into 4 years and a option year.

[weams]

How does Tillman only get 4/60 when Mike Leake gets 5/80 when there was more SP supply in the market?

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Because Tillman starts at Chen. Not that lowball Guess.

[Legend_Of_Joey]

Got a feeling atleast 1 Orioles organizational player will be taken in this years Rule 5. Not sure who though.

What would you want to accomplish in the draft? Pitching help? Outfield?