Is Trumbo as good as gone?

[DrinkinWithFermi]

I'm perfectly happy with a 40+ HR season and a first round pick for Steve Clevenger. I see no good reason to press our luck by paying the market rate for a DH that had a career year in his contract season.

Bad juju, that.

[DrungoHazewood]

When Cruz left the Orioles offense was just as good the next season, but the Snider/Cruz comparison was too much of a ready made story line and became a focal point for disgruntled fans.

That's my main concern, that it won't be difficult to replace the roughly two wins Trumbo was worth but we'll be faced with 1,000 threads about how the Orioles don't care about winning because they refused to go 4/80 for a 1.6-win player coming off a peak year at 30.

There can't be a good outcome when a guy deserving of a 2/15 or 2/20 kind of deal is looking for four or five times that amount.

[webbrick2010]

Never understand the "We need to sign this guy" sentiment, the off season after this guy has had a career year

How well is that working out with Chris Davis, now we are stuck with him for 6 more years

Quick exercise, name 3 contracts to 30+ one dimensional players (Trumbo, power, low avg, low OBP, terrible defense), over 50 million that have turned out to be a good deal for the team?

I got no one... Trumbo hits HRs and absolutely does nothing else

[El Gordo]

There is no excuse for the Orioles allowing Mark Trumbo to leave. He is built for Camden Yards and he absolutely loves playing for the Orioles. Scott Boras is not his agent so the Orioles can't use that excuse either. As we all know' date=' the Orioles pitching is average at best and the Orioles need to score lots of runs at times in order to win games. You can't expect to win games if you score only two or three runs especially with the Orioles pitching. I will lose a ton of respect for Dan if he allows Mark to leave. There is simply no good reason for it.[/quote']There are plenty excuses. He is a terrible OF. We have a 1B, and we shouldn't be paying 15 M+ for a DH Our biggest need is for a good OBP, defensive RF. Id rather spend the money Trumbo will get on Fowler.

[maybenxtyr]

Never understand the "We need to sign this guy" sentiment, the off season after this guy has had a career year

How well is that working out with Chris Davis, now we are stuck with him for 6 more years

Quick exercise, name 3 contracts to 30+ one dimensional players (Trumbo, power, low avg, low OBP, terrible defense), over 50 million that have turned out to be a good deal for the team?

I got no one... Trumbo hits HRs and absolutely does nothing else

I agree. I'm not sure why folks can't be happy with the production he gave last season but also understand how poor of an idea it would be to resign him. If the situation were Trumbo at first, and no Davis...that would be a different story.

[jcarm]

Cruz is a much, much better player than Trumbo. It is not even close! I do not think the Orioles should get in a bidding war for Trumbo. He is not worth it.

[clapdiddy]

When Cruz left the Orioles offense was just as good the next season, but the Snider/Cruz comparison was too much of a ready made story line and became a focal point for disgruntled fans.

That's my main concern, that it won't be difficult to replace the roughly two wins Trumbo was worth but we'll be faced with 1,000 threads about how the Orioles don't care about winning because they refused to go 4/80 for a 1.6-win player coming off a peak year at 30.

There can't be a good outcome when a guy deserving of a 2/15 or 2/20 kind of deal is looking for four or five times that amount.

This. If we could get Trumbo on a 2/20 or 3/30 deal, I'd be all for it. If we can't, then we need to move on. I think some team is going to pay more than that, and we should we should just let them.

[Going Underground]

This. If we could get Trumbo on a 2/20 or 3/30 deal, I'd be all for it. If we can't, then we need to move on. I think some team is going to pay more than that, and we should we should just let them.

The guys on MLBTR are not big fans of Trumbo. They don't think many teams will be in on him with the pick attached. We shall see.

[Snutchy]

I don't get it. I like Mark, but what does he really do besides hit homeruns and throw a few people out? If he could actually get to the ball in time, he may not have to try to throw so many out.

Mancini can hit homeruns. Get someone in RF that can catch and steal bases, and you're already in a better position than last year.

[DrungoHazewood]

Never understand the "We need to sign this guy" sentiment, the off season after this guy has had a career year

How well is that working out with Chris Davis, now we are stuck with him for 6 more years

Quick exercise, name 3 contracts to 30+ one dimensional players (Trumbo, power, low avg, low OBP, terrible defense), over 50 million that have turned out to be a good deal for the team?

I got no one... Trumbo hits HRs and absolutely does nothing else

Trumbo needs to sign up with David Ortiz' agents. I don't think the Sox were ever on the hook for more than about $40M on a single deal for Ortiz. Something about the Sox and team-friendly deals. They also got Wakefield to sign that 1/4 deal with an everlasting series of $4M team options.

But no, there are very few deals for big, slow, defensively-challenged sluggers in their 30s that end well. Your best hope is they give you a few years up front before being some combination of hurt and bad. I'm hoping for $80M in value for Davis' $160M, but we'll see.

[Redskins Rick]

Some of us were resigned to the fact, that Trumbo was going to be too costly to keep.

Now that appears to be happening, people act like this is news.

[DrungoHazewood]

I don't get it. I like Mark, but what does he really do besides hit homeruns and throw a few people out? If he could actually get to the ball in time, he may not have to try to throw so many out.

Mancini can hit homeruns. Get someone in RF that can catch and steal bases, and you're already in a better position than last year.

Trumbo is out of the Juan Gonzalez, Hank Sauer, Boog Powell mold. Not that they're not valuable players, they are/were, but folks mistake just hitting 40 homers for being a well-rounded, MVP-type player. 40 homers are immediately tangible. Not quite getting to 50 flyballs and having a .315 OBP is harder to contextualize.

[Babypowder]

wRC+ last 4 seasons

Nelson Cruz: 122, 137, 158, 147

Mark Trumbo: 107, 90, 107, 123

They are totally similar players, as long as you ignore everything but home runs.

[DrungoHazewood]

wRC+ last 4 seasons

Nelson Cruz: 122, 137, 158, 147

Mark Trumbo: 107, 90, 107, 123

They are totally similar players, as long as you ignore everything but home runs.

Maybe Trumbo just signed up for the Nelson Cruz SuperPlan for peaking at 36. Cruz' 122 was about the same age as Trumbo's 123, right?

[webbrick2010]

Trumbo is out of the Juan Gonzalez, Hank Sauer, Boog Powell mold. Not that they're not valuable players, they are/were, but folks mistake just hitting 40 homers for being a well

You're not really comparing Trumbo to this Boog Powell

A league MVP, three times in the top 3, 5 times in the top 20

with an career OPS+ of 134

1961 19 BAL AL 4 13 13 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 .077 .077 .077 .154 -58 1 0 0 0 0 0 /7

1962 20 BAL AL 124 441 400 44 97 13 2 15 53 1 1 38 79 .243 .311 .398 .708 95 159 14 2 0 1 5 *7/3

1963 21 BAL AL 140 548 491 67 130 22 2 25 82 1 2 49 87 .265 .328 .470 .799 125 231 12 0 3 5 8 *73/9

1964 22 BAL AL 134 506 424 74 123 17 0 39 99 0 0 76 91 .290 .399 .606 1.005 176 257 9 2 2 2 6 *7/3 MVP-11

1965 23 BAL AL 144 556 472 54 117 20 2 17 72 1 1 71 93 .248 .347 .407 .754 112 192 7 4 3 6 13 37

1966 24 BAL AL 140 565 491 78 141 18 0 34 109 0 4 67 125 .287 .372 .532 .903 158 261 8 1 3 3 9 *3 MVP-3

1967 25 BAL AL 125 477 415 53 97 14 1 13 55 1 3 55 94 .234 .324 .366 .690 104 152 6 2 1 4 5 *3

1968 ★ 26 BAL AL 154 634 550 60 137 21 1 22 85 7 1 73 97 .249 .338 .411 .748 127 226 12 3 3 5 12 *3 AS,MVP-21

1969 ★ 27 BAL AL 152 615 533 83 162 25 0 37 121 1 1 72 76 .304 .383 .559 .942 160 298 18 1 1 8 10 *3 AS,MVP-2

1970 ★ 28 BAL AL 154 642 526 82 156 28 0 35 114 1 1 104 80 .297 .412 .549 .962 163 289 14 5 0 8 18 *3 AS,MVP-1

1971 ★ 29 BAL AL 128 509 418 59 107 19 0 22 92 1 0 82 64 .256 .379 .459 .839 138 192 10 4 0 5 11 *3 AS

1972 30 BAL AL 140 539 465 53 117 20 1 21 81 4 0 65 92 .252 .346 .434 .780 129 202 13 4 1 4 14 *3

1973 31 BAL AL 114 464 370 52 98 13 1 11 54 0 2 85 64 .265 .398 .395 .792 126 146 11 0 4 5 10 *3

1974 32 BAL AL 110 402 344 37 91 13 1 12 45 0 1 52 58 .265 .358 .413 .771 125 142 15 0 3 3 10 3/D

1975 33 CLE AL 134 502 435 64 129 18 0 27 86 1 3 59 72 .297 .377 .524 .901 154 228 5 1 1 6 5 *3/D MVP-20