Orioles told Bautista's reps...Orioles fans don't like him

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, backwardsk said:

Why does Toronto not want him?

They are owned by a corporation and their budget fluctuates dramatically.

[Number5]

1 hour ago, cimota said:

Which one of those two guys have a career .368 OBP or .861 OPS playing every day? Getting two mediocre players for the same price as one star player isn't a deal.   Well I wouldn't want Alvarez for league minimum.  

Yes, I would prefer Alvarez plus Pagan over Bautista by a considerable margin.  The draft pick makes it beyond question for me.  You are entitled to your opinion.

[Number5]

38 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Yeah - he's declining but by no means is he washed up.

Well, maybe defensively.

Perhaps not completely washed up, but the water has been running in the shower for a long time. 

[backwardsk]

11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They are owned by a corporation and their budget fluctuates dramatically.

But they have $33M to spend on Morales?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, backwardsk said:

But they have $33M to spend on Morales?

It's been a running gag among some of us since they were not allowed to add payroll for the pennant chase in 2014.

It could be true that signing Morales ate up their budget for this offseason.

[weams]

15 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

Why does Toronto not want him?

Because they afraid he will stop using the 'roids once he gets a contract? And have his shoulder surgery so that he has a good quality of life in his retirement? So he  "can hold his kids."

[weams]

7 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Perhaps not completely washed up, but the water has been running in the shower for a long time. 

He's my number one candidate for the Garrett Atkins award.

[Dark Helmet]

3 hours ago, Number5 said:

Not really.

http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/212778884/phillies-like-brandon-moss-michael-saunders/

Ok. And yesterday it was a different story...and tomorrow will be a totally different story.

 

[atomic]

6 hours ago, backwardsk said:

Why does Toronto not want him?

They made him a qualifying offer which is 17 million for one year.  I would say that is wanting him.

[crawjo]

If Bautista was six years younger, everybody would want him. It's not his personality that's the problem. It's his age. He blossomed late (for whatever reason...I always think fans of one team speculating about doping on other teams is hypocritical) and that's why his market is so weak. No one wants to take a big risk on a 36-year-old bat, with good reason. But there's a very good chance that he will be a difference maker next year, for whoever he plays for. And any team that overlooks that is being foolish, IMO. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

On 1/3/2017 at 7:54 PM, weams said:

He was insulted at the 3 year 83 that they offered. 

Blue Jays dodged a bullet if that is the case. 

[backwardsk]

39 minutes ago, cimota said:

They made him a qualifying offer which is 17 million for one year.  I would say that is wanting him.

You said you'd sign him for $10M.  Why wouldn't the Jays beat that?

[crawjo]

I would sign him for 1 year, $17 million. 

[Number5]

30 minutes ago, crawjo said:

I would sign him for 1 year, $17 million. 

So, do you mean a $4.5 million contract, or do you mean you think he's worth $29.5 million?

[crawjo]

26 minutes ago, Number5 said:

So, do you mean a $4.5 million contract, or do you mean you think he's worth $29.5 million?

One year, $17 million, not including draft pick. The value of the lost first-round pick is defrayed over many seasons (and also speculative, with a wide variance between the player who never makes the major leagues and the one who becomes a regular). But more importantly, if the Orioles are intent on competing for a championship in 2017, Bautista brings them closer to that goal. The pick does not. If the organization were in a rebuild (which, arguably, it should be) then the pick would obviously be more important.