Kim vs Santander

[BohKnowsBmore]

17 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Well, not sure it's an obsession, but Santander is a 22-year old switch hitter with power from both sides of the plate. He showed enough during spring training for the orioles to try and find a way to keep him. The way Buck is using his roster, they can probably afford to keep him this year without hurting the team and gives the organization a guy who could profile as a an everyday big leaguer. Let me tell you as something one follows the system very closely, they don't have a ton of those guys. In fact, they don't have one switch-hitter in the organization that is actually a prospect.

I don't think it's the end of the world if he has to go back, but if I'm the Orioles, I'd try and find a way to get him on the active roster for 90 days in order to be able to keep him. 

Does Mullins not qualify as a prospect?

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

People keep talking about Kim and his OBP like it's the end all be all.

1. He has no power, speed, and his defense is sub par

2. His current OBP is .306

3. His current OPS is .624

4. His OPS in the second half last year was .738

5. Most everyone realizes that his trade value is negligible.

Yet, many talk about him as if he's irreplaceable and just assume he's the guy who had the great first half last year.  Buck doesn't think so and he might be right.  Kim better start hitting.  Soon.

We're at the point in the season where a 1 for 9 stretch can lower your OBP from .350 to .306.    I don't think his OBP would stay as low as .306 over the course of a season, especially if he played more often.    But there are a lot of players with other skills vying for playing time.    

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, BohKnowsBmore said:

Does Mullins not qualify as a prospect?

Keep reading the thread, I asked the question and Tony responded.

[weams]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Do we know for a fact that draft spending wasn't a factor in Dan trading those three competitive balance picks during his tenure?

Save money on the reliever you are trading, save even more money by not having to sign a pick.

Maybe. I guess that is a weird spin on it. As RZ said though, the Orioles always spend their draft money and sometimes more. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

Maybe. I guess that is a weird spin on it. As RZ said though, the Orioles always spend their draft money and sometimes more. 

How much under the max can teams go while still signing their picks?  Was a minimum negotiated?

[weams]

43 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How much under the max can teams go while still signing their picks?  Was a minimum negotiated?

I do not recall that. No. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

I do not recall that. No. 

Now I am curious to see if a team has, since the addition of slotting, spent say under 80% of their pool while signing their top picks.

 

[weams]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012pool.php

Pittsburgh Pirates

$6,563,500

$3,234,200

9

21

$92,600

[weams]

Diamondbacks, who picked first overall and entered the draft with the third-largest bonus pool at $12,816,100. Arizona signed No. 1 pick Dansby Swanson for $6.5 million and spent $11,128,900 overall on the draft. Swanson’s bonus was more than $2 million below the $8,616,900 value with the top pick. In fact, the only over-slot bonus Arizona handed out in the first 10 rounds went to ninth-round righthander Pierce Romero out of Santa Barbara (Calif.) CC, who signed for $295,000. Romero pitched less than 20 innings the past two years in junior college.

The Diamondbacks were one of 16 clubs that spent below their pool, though no other organization approached them in being $1,687,200 below their pool. The next-closest under-budget club in terms of dollars was the Rockies, whose $13,989,800 pool was the second-largest in the draft. The Rockies spent $13,648,900 total.

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-bonus-spending-drops-2015-despite-larger-pools/#yFxMGlVZ6xYJ1zu3.99

 

[weams]

On the other end of the spectrum, we have the penny-pinchers, the teams that seem to loathe spending money on the draft. The Phillies might be our prime example of undervaluing draft picks—in the first four seasons of the current CBA, Philadelphia undercut MLB’s bonus allotment by a total of $437,800. It’s no wonder they won a league-low 63 games in 2015.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/major-league-spending-trends-the-draft-bonus-pool/

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, weams said:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012pool.php

Pittsburgh Pirates

$6,563,500

$3,234,200

9

21

$92,600

I'm looking at this:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/major-league-spending-trends-the-draft-bonus-pool/

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The Phillies might be our prime example of undervaluing draft picks—in the first four seasons of the current CBA, Philadelphia undercut MLB’s bonus allotment by a total of $437,800.

Here is the entirity of the 2012 draft, red is overspending green is underspending.

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

On the other end of the spectrum, we have the penny-pinchers, the teams that seem to loathe spending money on the draft. The Phillies might be our prime example of undervaluing draft picks—in the first four seasons of the current CBA, Philadelphia undercut MLB’s bonus allotment by a total of $437,800. It’s no wonder they won a league-low 63 games in 2015.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/major-league-spending-trends-the-draft-bonus-pool/

So that is under 110K per draft.  If that is the worse case scenario it is pretty clear that teams are spending at or above the cap as a rule.  One comp B pick has a slot value of roughly 900K. 

[weams]

A comp A? Ok. There is still a precedent for under-spending at 4x that. 

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, weams said:

Diamondbacks, who picked first overall and entered the draft with the third-largest bonus pool at $12,816,100. Arizona signed No. 1 pick Dansby Swanson for $6.5 million and spent $11,128,900 overall on the draft. Swanson’s bonus was more than $2 million below the $8,616,900 value with the top pick. In fact, the only over-slot bonus Arizona handed out in the first 10 rounds went to ninth-round righthander Pierce Romero out of Santa Barbara (Calif.) CC, who signed for $295,000. Romero pitched less than 20 innings the past two years in junior college.

The Diamondbacks were one of 16 clubs that spent below their pool, though no other organization approached them in being $1,687,200 below their pool. The next-closest under-budget club in terms of dollars was the Rockies, whose $13,989,800 pool was the second-largest in the draft. The Rockies spent $13,648,900 total.

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-bonus-spending-drops-2015-despite-larger-pools/#yFxMGlVZ6xYJ1zu3.99

 

86.8%.

So no one is spending a significant amount less than the cap, if the best example is a one year where they still spent over 85%.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

A comp A? Ok. There is still a precedent for under-spending at 4x that. 

Type B comp.

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76. Orioles

$838,900

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2016-mlb-draft-international-bonus-pools/#18t5PdsTbCF3pSA4.97

(Pick 71 was over 900K)